# Very nice article **URL:** \ **Category:** Ruby\ **Created:** [April 8, 2006, 7:43pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/very-nice-article/57255 "2006-04-08T19:43:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/splattael)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 7:43pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/very-nice-article/57255/1 "2006-04-08T19:43:55Z")
Hello, I am not sure if this is a good place to post links to interesting articles/blog entries (shout if not really), but i realy liked this article: [http://www.slash7.com/articles/2006/03/22/s-o-s-save-our-sanity](http://www.slash7.com/articles/2006/03/22/s-o-s-save-our-sanity) and i was laughing my ass of at this one: [http://www.kyleshank.com/articles/2006/03/25/radrails-and-eclipsecon-2006](http://www.kyleshank.com/articles/2006/03/25/radrails-and-eclipsecon-2006) bw, Peter ---
**Author:** ![splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/splattael)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 11:02pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/very-nice-article/57255/2 "2006-04-08T23:02:21Z")
I don’t mind it. I really liked the first one, although I have never seen anyone asking how to build a forum or a chatsite. At least not here on this mailing list. 2006/4/8, Peter S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid): ---
**Author:** ![splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/splattael)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 3:47am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/very-nice-article/57255/3 "2006-04-09T03:47:31Z")
Jeppe J. wrote: > I don’t mind it. I really liked the first one, although I have never seen > anyone asking how to build a forum or a chatsite. At least not here on this > mailing list. Why do you think that is? How is that, despite the surge of interest in Ruby, the general Ruby community does not appear to have an issue with newcomers, certainly not to the point of creating a derisive characterization for people lacking the various self-help skills experienced developers take for granted? It seems that the Rails community is encountering something of an immigration problem, with a decided cultural impedance mismatch. – James B. [http://www.ruby-doc.org](http://www.ruby-doc.org) - Ruby Help & Documentation [http://www.rubystuff.com](http://www.rubystuff.com) - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff [http://www.jamesbritt.com](http://www.jamesbritt.com) - Playing with Better Toys ---
**Author:** ![splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/splattael)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 6:43am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/very-nice-article/57255/4 "2006-04-09T06:43:23Z")
On 4/8/06, James B. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > It seems that the Rails community is encountering something of an > immigration problem, with a decided cultural impedance mismatch. Here’s my take on it: The Rails influx is much like the immigrants from mexico. In this case, the Rails list is southern California, and the Ruby list is New York. The migration affects all, but it affects the Ruby list (NY) much less than it affects the Rails list (CA). Just a guess, but it seems to work as an analogy. ---
**Author:** ![splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/splattael)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 7:25am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/very-nice-article/57255/5 "2006-04-09T07:25:48Z")
Bill G. wrote: > On 4/8/06, James B. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > … > > Just a guess, but it seems to work as an analogy. I was actually thinking more along the lines of the immigration issues in Western Europe; I believe there is a more striking collision of cultures and expectations, and enculturation is far more conflicted. I don’t think the ruby-talk list gets fewer newbies than the Rails list, but they may get a different reception here. So maybe Rails is like France, and Ruby (in general) is like NYC. Or something. – James B. “Blanket statements are over-rated” ---
**Author:** ![splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/splattael)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 12:06pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/very-nice-article/57255/6 "2006-04-09T12:06:06Z")
> I don’t think the ruby-talk list gets fewer newbies than the Rails list, > but they may get a different reception here. > Well, ATM i am not (yet) subscribed to the RoR mailing list so i would > not > like to judge it based on some numbers, but according to the RoR > archives: [http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/](http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/) examining jan,feb,march the average count of posts is somewhere between 6000-8000 mails a month… Now that’s quite a lot imho. I could not get the same statistics for the tuby-talk (i did not find a per-month view in the archives) but it seems to me (just based on my everyday experience reading ruby-talk) that the average post count is lower here…or? Does anybody has some numbers on this? Peter ---
**Author:** ![splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/splattael)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 11:53am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/very-nice-article/57255/7 "2006-04-09T11:53:51Z")
On 4/9/06, James B. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > The Rails influx is much like the immigrants from mexico. In this > > case, the Rails list is southern California, and the Ruby list is New > > York. The migration affects all, but it affects the Ruby list (NY) > > much less than it affects the Rails list (CA). > > > > Just a guess, but it seems to work as an analogy. > > I was actually thinking more along the lines of the immigration issues > in Western Europe; I believe there is a more striking collision of > cultures and expectations, and enculturation is far more conflicted. As a Western European I strongly disagree. You cannot even judge the whole issue upon Western Europe as we are not _yet_ the United States of Europe. France, where I am living right now is maybe having many troubles right now, _maybe_. Other contries do not, like you have a different situation in different states. I am well aware of the problems in my country, I am not aware of those in your country. But if I would dare judging your country on the information I get from the media, believe me I would not talk to you. _**Most important point: If I would make the mistake to judge any people according to their governement I could not even talk to myself!!!**_\*\*\*\* As you might have gasped I have acquainted the French sensitiveness to critics! So be aware 😉 Cheers Robert > – > James B. > > “Blanket statements are over-rated” – Deux choses sont infinies : l’univers et la bêtise humaine ; en ce qui concerne l’univers, je n’en ai pas acquis la certitude absolue. - Albert Einstein ---
**Author:** ![splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/splattael)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 5:59pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/very-nice-article/57255/8 "2006-04-09T17:59:13Z")
Hello Peter, > between 6000-8000 mails a month… Now that’s quite a lot imho. > I could not get the same statistics for the tuby-talk (i did not find a > per-month view in the archives) but it seems to me (just based on my > everyday experience reading ruby-talk) that the average post count is > lower here…or? Does anybody has some numbers on this? Well, check on Gmane : [http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.general](http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.general) [http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.rails](http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.rails) The messages per day curves show you how the lists grow. ``` Jean-François. ``` ---
**Author:** ![splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@splattael](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/splattael)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 8:57pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/very-nice-article/57255/9 "2006-04-09T20:57:20Z")
Wow the rails list is growing fast! I didn’t suspect that it was growing so fast. 2006/4/9, Jean-François [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid):