# Validation Problems

**URL:** <https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/validation-problems/117538>\
**Category:** Rails\
**Created:** [October 17, 2007, 9:41pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/validation-problems/117538 "2007-10-17T21:41:51Z")\
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**Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 9:41pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/validation-problems/117538/1 "2007-10-17T21:41:51Z")

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Is there a way to use validates\_presence\_of with a non-wrapping model  
form without creating a model at all?

Also, is there a way to check between three values, and if one of them  
is empty do something without the if else if hassle?