# Tiobe's languages index

**URL:** <https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tiobes-languages-index/123215>\
**Category:** Rails\
**Created:** [December 14, 2007, 11:48pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tiobes-languages-index/123215 "2007-12-14T23:48:34Z")\
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**Author:** ![Benjamin\_C](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/85e7bf/32.png) [@Benjamin\_C](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Benjamin_C)\
**Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 11:48pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tiobes-languages-index/123215/1 "2007-12-14T23:48:34Z")

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Hello,

i find that in the tiobe’s language index, don’t include the ruby on  
rails  
for ruby language, the responsible of this site mentioned that this is a  
framework and the people don’t program with that. But, he don’t explain  
why  
not exclude similar framework for other languages like cake, prado,  
symfony,  
django, pylons, qcodo, and a large quantity.

Note: this message have a few months ago, but i stay that they correct  
this  
error, but do not do that, and i see necessary comment with community  
this  
error.

Benjamin C.

[1] [http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe\_index/index.htm](http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/index.htm)

This is my talk with tiobe’s webmaster:

Re: About rails

Ah,  
and forget that i only use Ajax, i don’t program with this. Is  
important have not mix the use with the development.

Regards,

Benjamín

> Hi Benjamin,
> 
> I see your point. I have to think about it a bit more.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul  
> Benjamí­n Cárdenas wrote:  
> Understand,

> but i don’t know how you filter the twenty or more framework that have  
> ruby, or have php, or any other language. For me, is very dificult know  
> about all frameworks, inlcuded the tiny. Because ruby have facilities  
> for work in diferents environments using frameworks (fox, tcl lib’s, \>and  
> so). What percent of any language develop the programers using  
> frameworks?. Saddly in ruby is very hight, because this is the essence  
> (DRY - Don’t Repeat Your Self).

> I can live with that, but think that it’s unjust. (Ruby had mainly  
> frameworks for all) :-(.

> Benjamín Cardenas