# Time for a ruby-announce list? **URL:** \ **Category:** Ruby\ **Created:** [June 24, 2009, 11:07am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946 "2009-06-24T11:07:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/21 "2009-06-24T17:13:21Z")
On Jun 24, 9:30 am, Jörg W Mittag [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > ruby-community-announcements had 28 mails in more than one year. > comp.lang.ruby. The numbers for ruby-community-announcements are > similar: the majority of mails are release announcements for Prawn > from Gregory B., S9 announcements from Gerald B. plus some stuff > from John M., Mike M. and Matt T., all of whom already > announce on comp.lang.ruby, I believe. As I stated earlier, this kind of thing cannot work without being an official list. No one is going to pay any attention to a list that is not an offical [ruby-lang.org](http://ruby-lang.org) list. T. ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/22 "2009-06-24T18:44:50Z")
> We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts > these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts. > Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then: +1 I always wish I could subscribe to just the announcements [more than the rubyforge RSS, which for some reason doesn’t get them all] because subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I’m too lazy to setup a filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core fellas? Thanks! =r ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/23 "2009-06-24T15:32:25Z")
Trans wrote: > We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts > these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts. > Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then: We already have not one, but _two_ such lists. What do you think a third one would accomplish that two can’t? Also, the success hasn’t exactly been overwhelming: the rubynet-announce list has had exactly 20 mails in over 6 years(!), and ruby-community-announcements had 28 mails in more than one year. […] > 1. other people besides Ryan D. would announce their projects 😉 35% of the announcements on removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid are from Daniel J Berg, 25% from Ryan D., 10% each from Anders Bengtsson and Michael Davis and 5% each from David Alan Black, Simon Strandgaard, Jeremy Hylton and Francis H… So, around 70% of the announcements are by the same people who _already_ announce on comp.lang.ruby. The numbers for ruby-community-announcements are similar: the majority of mails are release announcements for Prawn from Gregory B., S9 announcements from Gerald B. plus some stuff from John M., Mike M. and Matt T., all of whom already announce on comp.lang.ruby, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/24 "2009-06-24T19:29:29Z")
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Gregory Brown[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Trans[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts > > these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts. > > There already is one: > [http://groups.google.com/group/ruby-community-announcements](http://groups.google.com/group/ruby-community-announcements) > > So far, basically unused. Easier just to filter on [ANN] tag. So in a year or so this has 26 threads and 28 posts. I think that that’s ample evidence that a separate group isn’t a very popular idea. I’m all for keeping the announcements right here thank you. I already have way too many info sources to aggregate already. – Rick DeNatale Blog: [http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/](http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/) Twitter: [http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale](http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale) WWR: [http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale](http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale) LinkedIn: [http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale](http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale) ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/25 "2009-06-24T19:50:04Z")
On 24 Jun 2009, at 18:43, Gregory B. wrote: > I agree. It seemed like a good idea at the time and didn’t catch on. > Since I had to double post all my announcements anyway, its easier > just to set up filters on RubyTalk. Let’s face it, we’re still not that big a community and until there’s a couple of thousand regular posters all announcing their latest projects there really isn’t going to be sufficient pressure to make a separate announcements list worthwhile. Ellie ## Eleanor McHugh Games With Brains [http://slides.games-with-brains.net](http://slides.games-with-brains.net) raise ArgumentError unless @reality.responds\_to? :reason ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/26 "2009-06-24T19:44:47Z")
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Rick DeNatale[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > So in a year or so this has 26 threads and 28 posts. > > I think that that’s ample evidence that a separate group isn’t a very > popular idea. > > I’m all for keeping the announcements right here thank you. I already > have way too many info sources to aggregate already. I agree. It seemed like a good idea at the time and didn’t catch on. Since I had to double post all my announcements anyway, its easier just to set up filters on RubyTalk. -greg ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/27 "2009-06-24T20:52:54Z")
On Jun 24, 2009, at 09:44, Roger P. wrote: > filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core > fellas? Are you subscribed to: [http://gems.rubyforge.org/index.rss](http://gems.rubyforge.org/index.rss) However, a significant fraction of gem authors forget to put description in their gems, so the feed is not as useful as it should be. ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/28 "2009-06-24T21:22:50Z")
On Jun 24, 11:44 am, Roger P. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I’m too lazy to setup a > filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Considering it should take you less than 30 seconds to make a gmail filter, my suggestion to you is “become less lazy”. Look, I’ll help you out: ``` Matches: to:(removed_email_address@domain.invalid) Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label "ruby-talk" ``` ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/29 "2009-06-24T20:17:06Z")
Roger P. wrote: > > We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts > > these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts. > > Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then: > > +1 > I always wish I could subscribe to just the announcements [more than the > rubyforge RSS, which for some reason doesn’t get them all] because > subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I’m too lazy to setup a > filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core > fellas? [http://vuxu.org/~chris/ruby-talk-ann.rss](http://vuxu.org/~chris/ruby-talk-ann.rss) – James B. [www.jamesbritt.com](http://www.jamesbritt.com) - Playing with Better Toys [www.ruby-doc.org](http://www.ruby-doc.org) - Ruby Help & Documentation [www.rubystuff.com](http://www.rubystuff.com) - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff [www.neurogami.com](http://www.neurogami.com) - Smart application development ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/30 "2009-06-24T22:07:26Z")
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Yossef M.[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > On Jun 24, 11:44 am, Roger P. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I’m too lazy to setup a > > filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. > > Considering it should take you less than 30 seconds to make a gmail > filter, my suggestion to you is “become less lazy”. > I have enough of them, > I do not want other announcements to go to the release label and there > are other issues that have been discussed. > I can happily live with the majority being against Tom’s idea, but I > feel that the “c’on use a label” or your friendly “be less lazy”, ty > very much ;), simply does not Tom’s idea the thinking and credit it > deserves. > Look, I’ll help you out: > > Matches: to:(removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid) > Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label “ruby-talk” > At least you could have got it right… Robert ---
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Robert D.[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > I can happily live with the majority being against Tom’s idea, but I > feel that the “c’on use a label” or your friendly “be less lazy”, ty > very much ;), simply does not Tom’s idea the thinking and credit it > deserves. Man, I really wish there was a parallel universe where you and Trans could be happy with how things are going, so that we don’t need to go through the same cycle of: Trans: I want thing Foo Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here’s what happened Robert: Hey come on, don’t be hard on Trans. I’m really not trying to be rude here, the archive shows this pattern clearly, and I think it’s problematic. -greg ---
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Gregory Brown[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > are other issues that have been discussed. > > Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here’s what happened > > Robert: Hey come on, don’t be hard on Trans. > > I’m really not trying to be rude here, the archive shows this pattern > clearly, and I think it’s problematic. > I agree, maybe someone can point me to a good therapist. > Robert ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/33 "2009-06-24T22:46:47Z")
On Jun 24, 2009, at 13:12 , Gregory B. wrote: > clearly, and I think it’s problematic. > I love you so much. ---
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 05:12:16AM +0900, Gregory B. wrote: > > are other issues that have been discussed. > > I can happily live with the majority being against Tom’s idea, but I > > feel that the “c’on use a label” or your friendly “be less lazy”, ty > > very much ;), simply does not Tom’s idea the thinking and credit it > > deserves. > > Man, I really wish there was a parallel universe where you and Trans > could be happy with how things are going, so that we don’t need to go > through the same cycle of: loop do > Trans: I want thing Foo > Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here’s what happened > Robert: Hey come on, don’t be hard on Trans. sleep rand(100) end ---
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Gregory Brown[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Man, I really wish there was a parallel universe where you and Trans > could be happy with how things are going, so that we don’t need to go > through the same cycle of: > > Trans: Â I want thing Foo > Rest of RubyTalk: This has come up many times before, and here’s what happened > Robert: Hey come on, don’t be hard on Trans. > > I’m really not trying to be rude here, the archive shows this pattern > clearly, and I think it’s problematic. Greg, you’re my hero. ~ j. ---
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Aaron Patterson[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > sleep rand(100) > 100, are you mad, much too long ---
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> If there were just a release announcements list separate from ruby-talk, I > probably wouldn’t be here. IMHO most discussions related to announcements begin like “Sounds great but I cannot get it to work” or “Great stuff. How does this compare to X?” IMHO such discussions could be allowed on a not so strict announcement-focused list. Anyway, as somebody has said it before, if such a list isn’t an official ruby-lang list, only few people will read it, and people will continue posting announcements to ruby-talk anyway. ---
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Trans [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts > these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts. > Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then: > > 1. ruby-talk itself would improve I came to ruby-talk to make a release announcement, and stayed for the conversation. If there were just a release announcements list separate from ruby-talk, I probably wouldn’t be here. ---
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:28 AM, trans[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > Robert: Hey come on, don’t be hard on Trans. > > tell people, when I submit a patch or otherwise help with someone > > bullies. You do not earnestly engage in conversation. In this very > > I don’t need to go on any further. Other’s have said it all before. > > What Zed said [[http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails\_is\_a\_ghetto.html](http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html)]. The thing though, too though is, effectively attracting new and interesting code from potentially great coders may be harder. The [ANN] allows this opportunity in a friendly way. Now, on Trans’ talk on pointing netiquette fingers is partly true, but I’ve found this rather rare on this list. I go through the mails visually, so I can see the timing of what’s going on and when. I sometimes get to see a correlation between questions/answers and announcements. I could write a script that does the same. But, it really is easier to either set up a filter (something that I will never do, because I might miss something really fascinating) or just comb through on a regular basis. Honestly, it takes me about 10 minutes to manually pick through them if I do it every day, and another 30 if I want to follow the good conversations. I guess it comes down to how granular you want it. I could suggest, for example, the crazy proposition that people have different mail addresses for different lists, but I’m sure I’d be laughed at 😉 I’m on the fence. Todd ---
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> > I always wish I could subscribe to just the announcements [more than the > > rubyforge RSS, which for some reason doesn’t get them all] because > > subscribing to ruby-talk is too much traffic and I’m too lazy to setup a > > filter in my gmail. Barrier to entry. Maybe bring it up to the core > > fellas? > > [ruby-talk announces](http://vuxu.org/~chris/ruby-talk-ann.rss) Hmm. Is that available in mailing list form at all? -r [Previous page](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946.md?page=1) [Next page](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946.md?page=3)