# Time for a ruby-announce list? **URL:** \ **Category:** Ruby\ **Created:** [June 24, 2009, 11:07am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946 "2009-06-24T11:07:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
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We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts. Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then: 1. ruby-talk itself would improve 2. we’d all know were to look to see what’s new without having to sift 3. other people besides Ryan D. would announce their projects 😉 T. ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 11:16am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/2 "2009-06-24T11:16:25Z")
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Trans[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts > these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts. > Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then: > > 1. ruby-talk itself would improve How? > 1. we’d all know were to look to see what’s new without having to > sift Again How? Many folks use filtered feed of ruby-talk that just caters to announcements (rather than subscribing to mailing list). Announcements are very important part of ruby-talk, moving announcements to a different list serves little purpose. > 1. other people besides Ryan D. would announce their projects 😉 Announce away! And may be we should send some ninjas to take away zenspider’s keyboard! ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 11:25am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/3 "2009-06-24T11:25:50Z")
On Jun 24, 2009, at 02:06 , Trans wrote: > We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts > these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts. > Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then: Not counting my latest flood of releases, there are 40 announcements out of 480 email over the last week or roughly 8.33%. If you do count my flood, then it is 72 out of 529 or roughly 13.6%. Either way I hardly think that constitutes the need for another list. seattle.rb, ruby-core, ruby-talk, rubygems-developers, and UW-ruby… I don’t need any more ruby based mailing lists. Really, and this is coming from the person who beat you to the punch by SEVEN years [1]. > 1. ruby-talk itself would improve it would? > 1. we’d all know were to look to see what’s new without having to > sift see that “@gmail.com” part of your email address? I hear they’re pretty good at this sort of thing. Even my lowly mac mail app seems to do a damn good job of it. > 1. other people besides Ryan D. would announce their projects 😉 they would? speculate much? 1. [http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/51569](http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/51569) and [http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/51818](http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/51818) ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 11:27am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/4 "2009-06-24T11:27:00Z")
On Jun 24, 2009, at 02:15 , hemant wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Trans[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > 1. other people besides Ryan D. would announce their projects 😉 > > Announce away! And may be we should send some ninjas to take away > > zenspider’s keyboard! Double Dog Dare you. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 11:29am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/5 "2009-06-24T11:29:56Z")
From: “Trans” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) > 1. we’d all know were to look to see what’s new without having to > sift Geez, even my crappy Microsquish email client can do: if Subject contains “[ANN]” then move to folder “ruby-talk-announce” … if i wanted it to, that is. 🙂 Regards, Bill ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 11:39am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/6 "2009-06-24T11:39:20Z")
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Ryan D.[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Double Dog Dare you. 😛 > Nice one ;). > Sorry Tom, I stole your idea in the other thread, needless to say that > I back you up on this 😉 Cheers Robert > – Toutes les grandes personnes ont d’abord été des enfants, mais peu d’entre elles s’en souviennent. All adults have been children first, but not many remember. [Antoine de Saint-Exupéry] ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 11:34am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/7 "2009-06-24T11:34:39Z")
Trans wrote: > I’d have to vote No! I think a Ruby T. list is perfectly the correct place (in my mind) to have announcements related to things Ruby developers use/ might want. I have seen numerous threads where people have announced a gem only for it to be followed by quick responses on problems people are facing, what might be wrong with it, etc. This would become a bit more difficult if the gem were announced only on a separate list. Cheers, Mohit. 6/24/2009 | 5:30 PM. ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 12:13pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/8 "2009-06-24T12:13:19Z")
On Jun 24, 5:15 am, hemant [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Trans[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts > > these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts. > > Perhaps if we have a separate list for them then: > > > 1. ruby-talk itself would improve > > How? Increasing the concentration/orientation of list toward Ruby issues, problem solving, etc. rather then yet another 0.0.1 bump release. > > 1. we’d all know were to look to see what’s new without having to > > sift > > Again How? Many folks use filtered feed of ruby-talk that just caters > to announcements (rather than subscribing to mailing list). > Announcements are very important part of ruby-talk, moving > announcements to a different list serves little purpose. At the very least it means you wouldn’t need a filtered feed 😉 Personally I am interested in both announcements and the rest of ruby- talk. I would prefer to view the two separately. I am not going to go out of my way to setup filters that will have only a limited level of success. T. ---
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Bill K.[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > … if i wanted it to, that is. > > 🙂 > Now that is a philosophical question, personally I prefer to filter on > the ML address rather than on the subject line, seems much more > reliable. But it is a great thing to do in the meantime if one is > bothered … > R ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 12:45pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/10 "2009-06-24T12:45:37Z")
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Ryan D.[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > On Jun 24, 2009, at 03:12 , trans wrote: > > > Personally I am interested in both announcements and the rest of ruby- > > talk. I would prefer to view the two separately. I am not going to go > > out of my way to setup filters that will have only a limited level of > > success. > > and yet we should go out of our way to set up an entire mailing list “that > will have only a limited level of success”? I have no idea if you should ;). I would like it though as soon as the [Ann] rate hits a 20~30% mark. ## Cheers Robert Toutes les grandes personnes ont d’abord été des enfants, mais peu d’entre elles s’en souviennent. All adults have been children first, but not many remember. [Antoine de Saint-Exupéry] ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 12:35pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/11 "2009-06-24T12:35:38Z")
On Jun 24, 2009, at 03:12 , trans wrote: > Personally I am interested in both announcements and the rest of ruby- > talk. I would prefer to view the two separately. I am not going to go > out of my way to setup filters that will have only a limited level of > success. and yet we should go out of our way to set up an entire mailing list “that will have only a limited level of success”? ---
**Author:** ![tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@tcsnide](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/tcsnide)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 12:46pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946/12 "2009-06-24T12:46:48Z")
On Jun 24, 5:25 am, Ryan D. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > ruby-core, ruby-talk, rubygems-developers, and UW-ruby… > First, I think 8%-13% is a good bit. But more to the point, it could > be much worse. Consider how it would be if everyone announced as > regularly as you do. Personally, I wish they did. I often learn of new projects just by chance --usually a mention on some blog. I would like to encourage more people to make announcements --even those little 0.0.1 bumps. I like to see it become a very regular habit of all ruby developers. But if that happened then we can expect that percentage to shoot way way up. I also suspect that many people do not announce b/c they don’t want to add too much “noise” to the list or they don’t want to announce their wares for “all to see” if they don’t feel is quite up to snuff yet. If there was a separate list they could feel more at ease about these considerations, and as a result the whole community could benefit. > I don’t need > any more ruby based mailing lists. Really, and this is coming from the > person who beat you to the punch by SEVEN years [1]. > > > 1. ruby-talk itself would improve > > it would? You used to think so too. Do you think now that the lack of announcements would make ruby-talk worse? > > 1. we’d all know were to look to see what’s new without having to > > sift > > see that “@gmail.com” part of your email address? I hear they’re > pretty good at this sort of thing. Even my lowly mac mail app seems to > do a damn good job of it. Many people access the list via other means. I use Google G… There is also Usenet and Ruby Forum, among others. Filtering is not always so straight-forward. > > 1. other people besides Ryan D. would announce their projects 😉 > > they would? Yes, I think they would. See above. > speculate much? There’s a fine line between calculation and speculation --I think they call it evaluation. > 1)[http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/51569](http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/51569) > andhttp://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/51818 I think you make very good points. But something like this cannot work without being official [ruby-lang.org](http://ruby-lang.org) list. T. ---
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On Jun 24, 5:30 am, Mohit S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > I’d have to vote No! I think a Ruby T. list is perfectly the correct > place (in my mind) to have announcements related to things Ruby > developers use/ might want. I have seen numerous threads where people > have announced a gem only for it to be followed by quick responses on > problems people are facing, what might be wrong with it, etc. This > would become a bit more difficult if the gem were announced only on a > separate list. While “announce” indicates a one way form of speech, unlike “talk”, I take your point. However, there’s no reason people can’t utilize the announce list to follow up an announce post with “quick responses on problems people are facing, what might be wrong with it, etc.” Such posts are geared toward issue with the release itself, which makes sense. T. ---
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:43:19 -0500, Robert D. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > will have only a limited level of success"? > > I have no idea if you should ;). I would like it though as soon as the > [Ann] rate hits a 20~30% mark. Actually, there already seems to be a gmane.comp.lang.ruby.announce newsgroup. I’m already subscribed to this group right now. Instead of starting another mailing list, why don’t we just resurrect this existing one? – Benjamin L. Russell ---
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From: “Robert D.” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) > Now that is a philosophical question, personally I prefer to filter on > the ML address rather than on the subject line, seems much more > reliable. But it is a great thing to do in the meantime if one is > bothered … Reliable in theory… 🙂 I can imagine a rough equivalence between posters who currently don’t know to use [ANN], and folks who would end up posting announcements to ruby-talk regardless of the existence of a separate “reliable” announce list. 🙂 Regards, Bill ---
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:42 PM, trans[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > How? > > Increasing the concentration/orientation of list toward Ruby issues, > problem solving, etc. rather then yet another 0.0.1 bump release. That concentration/orientation thing is just overrated. That utopia of a mailing list where only insightful and interesting things will be discussed is just not going to work (case in point “thoughful-ruby” mailing list). > talk. I would prefer to view the two separately. I am not going to go > out of my way to setup filters that will have only a limited level of > success. It also means, you need a separate list to begin with and as Mohit pointed out sometimes its interesting to have a discussion about package being announced right here on ruby-talk, which is the right channel for such things. A separate list for announcements will be too limited in scope. – Let them talk of their oriental summer climes of everlasting conservatories; give me the privilege of making my own summer with my own coals. [http://gnufied.org](http://gnufied.org) ---
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:05:45 -0500, Bill K. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > I can imagine a rough equivalence between posters who > currently don’t know to use [ANN], and folks who would end > up posting announcements to ruby-talk regardless of the > existence of a separate “reliable” announce list. > > 🙂 In that case, why not establish a custom of starting discussion of announcements and topics concerning thereof on [ANN], to be moved to ruby-talk after a few rounds? This system is already effectively in use in at least one functional programming community. That way, later participants would need to go back to [ANN] to catch up on first rounds of discussions, so they would need to keep [ANN] and its purpose in mind. – Benjamin L. Russell ---
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Trans[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > We are seeing a lot or release announcements among the regular posts > these days, taking up a larger and larger percentage of total posts. There already is one: [http://groups.google.com/group/ruby-community-announcements](http://groups.google.com/group/ruby-community-announcements) So far, basically unused. Easier just to filter on [ANN] tag. -greg ---
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trans wrote: > While “announce” indicates a one way form of speech, unlike “talk”, I > take your point. However, there’s no reason people can’t utilize the > announce list to follow up an announce post with “quick responses on > problems people are facing, what might be wrong with it, etc.” Such > posts are geared toward issue with the release itself, which makes > sense. I guess you’re right - it really depends. The way I see it, it keeps all the talk in one place. That said, if another list starts to get used, I would simply sign up to it with the same email address as this one and let it drop into the same mailbox. That way, it would work almost the same - only there is a chance I would get multiple ANN posts (similar to the way it works between Rails-Talk and Ruby-Talk some times). Cheers, Mohit. 6/24/2009 | 9:22 PM. ---
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On [Wed, 24.06.2009 18:06], Trans wrote: > T. I personally never had a feeling off “Duh, what are all the questions doing between the announcements”, nor the other way around. One particular thing I really like about this list is that is combines both announcements and discussions. As I skip through all new threads I eventually get to see interesting stuff, no matter what exactly it is. Having those two topics seperated would only seem to be a break in my usual “Let’s see whats up in the Ruby world” reading flow. If such a seperation would ever take place (besides the fact that it is hardly possible to cleanly enforce that announcements just go to one list and general discussions to another) the first thing I’d do would be to save both MLs to one mailbox. [Next page](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/time-for-a-ruby-announce-list/170946.md?page=2)