# The view is important

**URL:** <https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/the-view-is-important/188285>\
**Category:** Rails\
**Created:** [May 9, 2010, 12:12pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/the-view-is-important/188285 "2010-05-09T12:12:17Z")\
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**Author:** ![Pau](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/2bfe46/32.png) [@Pau](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Pau)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2010, 12:12pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/the-view-is-important/188285/1 "2010-05-09T12:12:17Z")

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I have been developing web applications for only 4 years but this has  
been enough to know that HTML+CSS+Javascript is the hardest part.  
Nowadays there exists many javascript libraries such as jQuery and  
some javascript frameworks such as Ext. But, as you may know, they are  
very hard to use to create a fully integrated RIA.  
To solve this, there are presentation frameworks that centers the  
development on the server. Examples of such that frameworks are ZK  
(based on jQuery) and Vaadin (based on GWT). All of this examples use  
Java EE, not RoR.  
Is someone developing any server-centric presentation framework?

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**Author:** ![Pau](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/2bfe46/32.png) [@Pau](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Pau)\
**Post date:** [May 10, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/the-view-is-important/188285/2 "2010-05-10T16:31:15Z")

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Pau wrote:

> I have been developing web applications for only 4 years but this has  
> been enough to know that HTML+CSS+Javascript is the hardest part.  
> Nowadays there exists many javascript libraries such as jQuery and  
> some javascript frameworks such as Ext. But, as you may know, they are  
> very hard to use to create a fully integrated RIA.  
> To solve this, there are presentation frameworks that centers the  
> development on the server. Examples of such that frameworks are ZK  
> (based on jQuery) and Vaadin (based on GWT). All of this examples use  
> Java EE, not RoR.  
> Is someone developing any server-centric presentation framework?

These frameworks you mentioned (jQuery, GWT, etc.) are not at all  
server-centric. They are client-side JavaScript frameworks. What you use  
on the server side should make no difference. Granted some of these may  
assume Java EE on the server-side, but I even doubt that.

There are also some other options you didn’t mention. I know for sure  
that these make no assumptions about what you’re running server-side.

[http://cappuccino.org/](http://cappuccino.org/)

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