# Tattle - The Ruby Census **URL:** \ **Category:** Ruby\ **Created:** [January 8, 2007, 10:01pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407 "2007-01-08T22:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:39pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/101 "2007-09-25T22:39:52Z")
On 1/12/07, Gregory S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Default: no prompt, no install > -Y: no prompt, install > –optional-dependencies: prompt A way to install the optional dependencies for an already-installed gem would be great, too. I’m not thinking of a great syntax off the top of my head, though. – Nathaniel T. \<:((\>\< ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:41pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/102 "2007-09-25T22:41:44Z")
On 1/12/07, Austin Z. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > ## things that can be done with an idempotent gem is that you can > > Austin Z. \* removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid \* [http://www.halostatue.ca/](http://www.halostatue.ca/) > \* removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid \* [You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. // halo • statue](http://www.halostatue.ca/feed/) > \* removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid So if I were to spend this weekend getting optional/developer-time dependencies into RubyGems, would people want optional dependencies to always be prompted, only prompted when a flag is given, or never prompted? ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:41pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/103 "2007-09-25T22:41:58Z")
On 1/11/07, Daniel B. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > And, at the command prompt: > > C:\gem install something > > Install required dependency something? [Yn] > Install optional dependency rspec (Test suite only) [Yn] > … > > And the API would simply be: > > Gem#add\_optional(gem, comment, \*requirements) Dan, Excellent approach. I’d love to see this. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:43pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/104 "2007-09-25T22:43:40Z")
I am now thinking: -Y: unconditional install of dev deps (like -y, but only for developer deps) -O: prompted install of dev deps ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:44pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/105 "2007-09-25T22:44:35Z")
On Jan 9, 2007, at 10:14, Eric H. wrote: > Ten releases of Hoe in three months. > > One release of RubyGems in eighteen months. Oops, six months. I can’t do math. – Eric H. - removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid - [http://blog.segment7.net](http://blog.segment7.net) I LIT YOUR GEM ON FIRE! ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:45pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/106 "2007-09-25T22:45:19Z")
Pit C. wrote: > Chad, why does tattle depend on the hoe and rubyforge gems? Or alternatively, why isn’t hoe and rubyforge /in/ rubygems? Later, ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:46pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/107 "2007-09-25T22:46:28Z")
On 1/9/07, Bil K. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Pit C. wrote: > > > Chad, why does tattle depend on the hoe and rubyforge gems? > > Or alternatively, why isn’t hoe and rubyforge /in/ rubygems? I think that’s a fair question. I’m not answering it, but it’s a good question. 😉 Seriously, worth a chat on rubygems-developers, I think. Chad ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:46pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/108 "2007-09-25T22:46:28Z")
On 1/12/07, Nathaniel T. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > On 1/12/07, Gregory S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > Default: no prompt, no install > > -Y: no prompt, install > > –optional-dependencies: prompt > > A way to install the optional dependencies for an already-installed > gem would be great, too. I’m not thinking of a great syntax off the > top of my head, though. does this need an option? wouldn’t gem install ruport -v 0.6.0 -Y do the trick? ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:47pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/109 "2007-09-25T22:47:04Z")
On 1/12/07, Jeremy McAnally [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > But the question is would the hoe developers use this? They seem > fairly stuck on this whole idempotentence kick. As far as I’m concerned, optional dependencies preserve idempotency, and based on Eric’s earlier statements on this thread, he seems to agree. If we get optional dependencies in Rubygems and hoe doesn’t become optional, then I’ll start clamoring, too 🙂 – Nathaniel T. \<:((\>\< ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:49pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/110 "2007-09-25T22:49:06Z")
Or maybe --add-optional-dependencies. It’s kind of verbose. -add-all-dependencies is shorter and might also work… ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:49pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/111 "2007-09-25T22:49:51Z")
On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 09:30:34AM +0900, Chris C. wrote: > > You may not realize it, but you want idempotence, too. One of the > > -austin > > […] > > So if I were to spend this weekend getting optional/developer-time > > dependencies into RubyGems, would people want optional dependencies to > > always be prompted, only prompted when a flag is given, or never > > prompted? Default: no prompt, no install -Y: no prompt, install –optional-dependencies: prompt > Chris C. > –Greg ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:49pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/112 "2007-09-25T22:49:50Z")
On 1/12/07, Jeremy McAnally [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > But the question is would the hoe developers use this? They seem > fairly stuck on this whole idempotentence kick. Does that really matter? On more than one occasion, Eric and Ryan have made it clear they simply do not care whether the users of their software are happy with their decisions in this and other projects. They’re lucky to be talented enough where this kind of stubbornness doesn’t seem to effect them much. It’s their code, so it’s their decision how they package things. I’ll be honest, I’d like to give hoe a try, but I won’t use it if it continues to inject itself as it is. Not because I think that Ryan and Eric are evil or even necessarily _wrong_ about this, but because I personally don’t want to be dragging around meta dependencies with my code. So if I do try it out, it’ll likely be via Evan’s forked echoe project. Sucks to have to do that, but eh, that’s the nature of the beast. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:52pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/113 "2007-09-25T22:52:36Z")
> On 1/12/07, Gregory S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > Default: no prompt, no install > > -Y: no prompt, install > > –optional-dependencies: prompt Might be nice if the default at list listed them for a second before continuing. I know some of the FreeBSD ports will spit out a message saying “you can optionally set such and such to build such and such, press ctrl-c now” and gives you about 5 seconds before it keeps on going. That way at least you’d see the optional dependencies and could bail out if you decide you want them, but not be annoyed (too much) if you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Chad\_F](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Chad_F)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:52pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407/114 "2007-09-25T22:52:16Z")
Bil K. wrote: > ## Regards, > > Bil K. > [Ruby Wish List](http://kleb.tadalist.com/lists/public/427170) > Yeah … I would have no problem with what tattle sent to the web site > on any of my three machines either. But it’s better to check than run > the risk of getting written up in a corporate setting. Most folks work > in places that “tolerate” Internet use among employees but if you read > the corporate policy, you’ll find that there are a lot of things you > can’t do. Sending even that minuscule amount of system configuration > info somewhere is most likely a no-no in a lot of companies. – M. Edward (Ed) Borasky, FBG, AB, PTA, PGS, MS, MNLP, NST, ACMC(P) [http://borasky-research.blogspot.com/](http://borasky-research.blogspot.com/) If God had meant for carrots to be eaten cooked, He would have given rabbits fire. [Previous page](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/tattle-the-ruby-census/81407.md?page=5)