# Subversion and tmp directory in Rails 1.1 project **URL:** \ **Category:** Rails\ **Created:** [May 3, 2006, 7:20pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/subversion-and-tmp-directory-in-rails-1-1-project/59518 "2006-05-03T19:20:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/leopardus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:20pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/subversion-and-tmp-directory-in-rails-1-1-project/59518/1 "2006-05-03T19:20:23Z")
Hello everyone! I’m thinking of the right way to store tmp/ directory of Rails 1.1 project in Subversion. It has cache, session and sockets subdirectories. To me, it looks good to have svn delete tmp/\* svn propset svn:ignore “\*” tmp So it will ignore all directories and files in tmp/. Even if you create sessions/ and put some files in it, tmp/ content is still ignored. But I’m not sure whether it is safe to assume that Rails will recreate (at least in Webrick I run they are recreated on start-up) these cache/ sessions/ and sockets/ directories in future? Is is safe to remove them? The second way is to set svn:ignore 4 times, and it is not safe, if more directories will be introduced in future. svn propset svn:ignore “_" tmp svn propset svn:ignore "_” tmp/cache svn propset svn:ignore “_" tmp/sessions svn propset svn:ignore "_” tmp/sockets What do you think of it? What is your experience with non-webrick deployment? Peace, olegf ---
**Author:** ![leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/leopardus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:51pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/subversion-and-tmp-directory-in-rails-1-1-project/59518/2 "2006-05-03T19:51:19Z")
Oleg F. wrote: > create sessions/ and put some files in it, tmp/ content is still > ignored. > > But I’m not sure whether it is safe to assume that Rails will recreate > (at least in Webrick I run they are recreated on start-up) these > cache/ sessions/ and sockets/ directories in future? Is is safe to > remove them? > > The second way is to set svn:ignore 4 times, and it is not safe, if > more directories will be introduced in future. > svn propset svn:ignore “_" tmp > svn propset svn:ignore "_” tmp/cache > svn propset svn:ignore “_" tmp/sessions > svn propset svn:ignore "_” tmp/sockets I would use this one, so when you get a fresh checkout of your project, you get all the directories that Rails needs. Otherwise, Rails may not start correctly when you move from development to production, and finding out why your app isn’t running correctly in production (say with lighttpd) is a little harder. Blair – Blair Z., Ph.D. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) Subversion training, consulting and support [http://www.orcaware.com/svn/](http://www.orcaware.com/svn/) ---
**Author:** ![leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/leopardus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:29pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/subversion-and-tmp-directory-in-rails-1-1-project/59518/3 "2006-05-03T19:29:45Z")
I just noticed the tmp directory. What is it? Thanks, Peter ---
**Author:** ![leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/leopardus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 10:57pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/subversion-and-tmp-directory-in-rails-1-1-project/59518/4 "2006-05-03T22:57:12Z")
Hello Oleg, 2006/5/3, Oleg F. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid): > I’m thinking of the right way to store tmp/ directory of Rails 1.1 > project in Subversion. It has cache, session and sockets > subdirectories. To me, it looks good to have Please take a look at my Subversion primer: [http://blog.teksol.info/articles/2006/03/09/subversion-primer-for-rails-projects](http://blog.teksol.info/articles/2006/03/09/subversion-primer-for-rails-projects) It explains this concept and other ones as well. Hope that helps ! ---
**Author:** ![leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/leopardus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 11:37pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/subversion-and-tmp-directory-in-rails-1-1-project/59518/5 "2006-05-03T23:37:59Z")
Hello Oleg ! 2006/5/3, Oleg F. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid): > it means that files and folders in tmp/ will be ignored. But cache/, > sessions/ and sockets/ are already there and they will not inherit > this property (svn:ignore is not inherited). So if you create, say, > ruby\_sess.da832dc557430c1e in tmp/sessions/ this file will be known as > ? to subversion. I use subversion client 1.3.1 on windows and server > 1.3.0 on linux. But I believe this is expected behaviour. Nope, that’s normal. Since we told Subversion to ignore anything in tmp/, it WILL ignore everything, including children of said folder. > I understand now, that this question really should go to the Rails > core team. Will Rails recreate the tmp/ stucture on startup and we can > do > > svn delete tmp/\* > svn propset svn:ignore “\*” tmp/ > > or we could expect that auto-create tmp structure can be changed in future? Rails does recreate the structure, which is why it the primer doesn’t put anything in tmp/ under VC. Bye ! ---
**Author:** ![leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/leopardus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 11:09pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/subversion-and-tmp-directory-in-rails-1-1-project/59518/6 "2006-05-03T23:09:40Z")
Hi, Thanks for the link. Actually it was this material I started from. You are doing svn propset svn:ignore “\*” tmp it means that files and folders in tmp/ will be ignored. But cache/, sessions/ and sockets/ are already there and they will not inherit this property (svn:ignore is not inherited). So if you create, say, ruby\_sess.da832dc557430c1e in tmp/sessions/ this file will be known as ? to subversion. I use subversion client 1.3.1 on windows and server 1.3.0 on linux. But I believe this is expected behaviour. I understand now, that this question really should go to the Rails core team. Will Rails recreate the tmp/ stucture on startup and we can do svn delete tmp/\* svn propset svn:ignore “\*” tmp/ or we could expect that auto-create tmp structure can be changed in future? Peace, olegf ---
**Author:** ![leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/leopardus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 11:56am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/subversion-and-tmp-directory-in-rails-1-1-project/59518/7 "2006-05-04T11:56:55Z")
Hi, On 5/4/06, Francois B. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Nope, that’s normal. Since we told Subversion to ignore anything in > tmp/, it WILL ignore everything, including children of said folder. I do not agree. Please take a look at Subversion documentation [Properties](http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch07s02.html#id3022585). Footnote [29]. Your solution is incomplete and shouldn’t work. Here is the proof. 1. I create project d:\> rails testapp2 2. I import this project d:\testapp2\> svn import svn://localhost/testapp2/trunk 3. I remove folder out of the way d:\> move testapp2 testapp2.old 4. I checkout the project d:\> svn co svn://localhost/testapp2/trunk testapp2 5. I set up to ignore everything in tmp/ d:\testapp2\> svn propset svn:ignore “\*” tmp/ 6. I commit changes d:\testapp2\> svn commit -m “ignore tmp from now” Now, as you say, files in subfolders will be ignored. But this is not true. svn:ignore is not inherited by subfolders. You are ignoring cache/ sessions/ and sockets/ and every file and child directory in tmp/, but not _subchildrens_. Here is the proof. 1. I create text file in tmp/ tmp/sess1 2. I do svn stat and this file is ignored. This is expected. d:\testapp2\> svn stat 3. I create text file in sessions tmp/sessions/sess2 4. I do svn stat and this file is not ignore. This is expected too for svn:ignore is _not_ inherited by subchild folders. d:\testapp2\> svn stat ? tmp\sessions\sess2 I use subversion 1.3.1 on windows xp (i tested linux server too). Peace, olegf P.S. I mean no offence to you. I found your tutorial very valuable, but I believe you made a mistake with tmp/ directory 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/leopardus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2006, 9:57am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/subversion-and-tmp-directory-in-rails-1-1-project/59518/8 "2006-05-05T09:57:50Z")
Yes, if you are not checking in tmp/ content (sessions, cache and friends) then your solution will work. Actually, that what my first post was about: is it the right way to assume, that sessions/ cache/ and friends will be recreated by future Rails versions or I need to keep them (empty) in repository. ---
**Author:** ![leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@leopardus](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/leopardus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 5:12pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/subversion-and-tmp-directory-in-rails-1-1-project/59518/9 "2006-05-04T17:12:34Z")
Hello Oleg ! 2006/5/4, Oleg F. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid): > I do not agree. Please take a look at Subversion documentation > [Properties](http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch07s02.html#id3022585). Footnote > [29]. Your solution is incomplete and shouldn’t work. Here is the > proof. I do not agree again 🙂 Your recipe is incorrect. In my own recipe, I do not checkin tmp/sessions, tmp/cache and friends. They do not exist in the repository. > d:\> rails testapp2 > d:\testapp2\> svn import svn://localhost/testapp2/trunk This is your problem. You should revert tmp/sessions, tmp/cache and friends before you commit. > d:\> move testapp2 testapp2.old > d:\> svn co svn://localhost/testapp2/trunk testapp2 > d:\testapp2\> svn propset svn:ignore “\*” tmp/ > d:\testapp2\> svn commit -m “ignore tmp from now” Here is a recipe I used to test this: rd /s/q repos wc cls svn --version svnadmin create repos svn co file:///repos wc cd wc svn mkdir tmp svn ci -m “” svn ps svn:ignore “\*” tmp svn up svn ci -m “” mkdir tmp\sessions touch tmp\sessions\asdf svn st Run that from the drive’s root and you’ll see the difference. At the end of this E-Mail, you’ll see a sample run of this recipe. > I mean no offence to you. I found your tutorial very valuable, but I > believe you made a mistake with tmp/ directory 🙂 No offense taken ! Healthy disagreement is fine, as long as it’s civil and all parties are having fun 🙂 ## Have a nice day ! François Beausoleil [http://blog.teksol.info/](http://blog.teksol.info/) # SAMPLE RUN $ svn --version svn, version 1.3.0 (r17949) compiled Jan 15 2006, 23:18:48 $ svnadmin create repos $ svn co file:///repos wc A wc\tmp Checked out revision 2. $ cd wc $ svn mkdir tmp svn: Can’t create directory ‘tmp’ $ svn ci -m “” $ svn ps svn:ignore “\*” tmp property ‘svn:ignore’ set on ‘tmp’ $ svn up At revision 2. $ svn ci -m “” $ mkdir tmp\sessions $ touch tmp\sessions\asdf $ svn st $