# "Start spreading the news" **URL:** \ **Category:** IronRuby\ **Created:** [August 7, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/start-spreading-the-news/192901 "2010-08-07T23:43:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/65b543/32.png) [@Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Orion_E)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 9:51am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/start-spreading-the-news/192901/21 "2010-08-09T09:51:51Z")
On 9/08/2010, at 6:42 PM, Jimmy S. wrote: > This is a monumental opportunity for you all, the IronRuby community, to rally around something Microsoft invested in, enough to a initial 1.0 release, and make it your own. However, there are two things we should ask Microsoft to commit to during this transition: > Be clear about their intentions. I know this will eventually happen, but I want to make it clear to all of you that this is the first step. > Donate IronRuby to a non-Microsoft entity (again, assuming they don’t plan on continuing funding). Though IronRuby is licensed under an open-source license, it is copyright Microsoft. [IronRuby.net](http://IronRuby.net) is owned by Microsoft. The GitHub “ironruby” organization is managed by Microsoft. Etc, etc. If the intention is to cease funding IronRuby, then a non-profit foundation owning IronRuby, like CodePlex Foundation, would be ideal, so that we don’t need to jointly own the copyright. There also is precedence in Microsoft for internal employees to donate to the CodePlex foundation, so Tomas and Jim can continue to contribute. +1 This seems like an ideal fit for something like the Codeplex foundation, and as far as I can think, it would solve pretty much all the current uncertainty around the future of IR 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/65b543/32.png) [@Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Orion_E)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 8:43am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/start-spreading-the-news/192901/22 "2010-08-09T08:43:56Z")
Ah, after a nice restful weekend of casually looking at the psychotic twitter reactions, I think I owe this thread a little attention. First off, I appreciate the overwhelming support, and I think I speak on behalf of Jim and Tomas as well. Thank you for caring so much, and for all the personal best wishes. Also, I appreciate everyone who stepped in and “cooled” down the situation. Those who see opportunity in this are well-suited to help shape the future of the project. But enough with the mushy stuff … The reality of open-source software is that corporate sponsorship and funding comes and goes, and it would appear the IronRuby project is just going through that normal cycle. I’m grateful to Microsoft for not only employing me, but funding IronRuby to the 1.1 release. Keep in mind that Microsoft has not officially said anything regarding IronRuby, even it seems my leaving Microsoft speaks volumes. So, let’s just assume what we suspect to be true unless told otherwise. This is a monumental opportunity for you all, the IronRuby community, to rally around something Microsoft invested in, enough to a initial 1.0 release, and make it your own. However, there are two things we should ask Microsoft to commit to during this transition: 1. \*Be clear about their intentions. \*I \*know \*this will eventually happen, but I want to make it clear to all of you that this is the first step. 2. \*Donate IronRuby to a non-Microsoft entity \*(again, assuming they don’t plan on continuing funding). Though IronRuby is licensed under an open-source license, it is copyright Microsoft. [IronRuby.net](http://IronRuby.net) is owned by Microsoft. The GitHub “ironruby” organization is managed by Microsoft. Etc, etc. If the intention is to cease funding IronRuby, then a non-profit foundation owning IronRuby, like CodePlex Foundation, would be ideal, so that we don’t need to jointly own the copyright. There also is precedence in Microsoft for internal employees to donate to the CodePlex foundation, so Tomas and Jim can continue to contribute. In other words, a complete transition to non-Microsoft ownership. I’m not the only person with a voice here, so if there is anything else you’d like to see Microsoft do for a smooth transition, please speak up and let’s discuss it. I’m hoping my leaving announcement will speed this process along, so assume we have little time to provide “demands”. After these things happen, then we can all start figuring how to run the project, put infrastructure in place, and start figuring out what we need to accomplish to release IronRuby 1.2. Or, if none if this happens in the time we’d like, we can start FeRb (as @robconery essentially started to do =)). But let’s try to be patient with IronRuby itself for now. I’ve also hinted at revisiting RubyCLR, but that will be a separate project (do contact me if you’re interested). Also, feel free to still have the important conversations brought up in the previous messages; in no way am I suggesting people stop talking. Cory mentioned that my “leadership and vision” was lost. I think you’re taking my job too seriously =P … but joking aside, I just wanted to move back to New York and it was time to leave Microsoft, but not Ruby or IronRuby. So, for the foreseeable future, or unless someone else wants to step up, you can still count on me to be the face of IronRuby and write code. Also, my new job is in the .NET world still, so to stay sane I’ll still want to work on IronRuby. =) This is a challenging and emotional time indeed. Again, I appreciate everyone’s support and energy. Please keep the energy high, but directed. Continue discussing “why IronRuby”. Work in your private fork, take shots at fixing bugs or getting more RubySpec tests passing; they’ll eventually get integrated back. Continue blogging about how you’re using IronRuby. Show the world that regardless of Microsoft’s position, the community is what makes the project live. Now, discuss! ~Jimmy ---
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+1 ---
**Author:** ![Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/65b543/32.png) [@Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Orion_E)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 11:13am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/start-spreading-the-news/192901/24 "2010-08-09T11:13:13Z")
+1 on being patient and see how we can shape the project and run a more community-driven ironruby, I think it’s too early and rushed to start thinking about a fork (ferb or whatever). I’m on vacation right now so I can’t do much, I’ll be back in a week and see how I can help with anything. 2010/8/9, Jimmy S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid): > The reality of open-source software is that corporate sponsorship and > Microsoft to commit to during this transition: > foundation owning IronRuby, like CodePlex Foundation, would be ideal, so > > Cory mentioned that my “leadership and vision” was lost. I think you’re > fixing bugs or getting more RubySpec tests passing; they’ll eventually get > > > _Sent:_ Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:07 PM > > I think [asp.net](http://asp.net) mvc took a lot of the wind out of this particular > > > > Thanks, Orion > > there are still plenty of other shops that could use it, if only they > > > > 1. Silverlight ( > > [Jimmy Schementi \> MIX10, Part 3 - Using dynamic languages in existing web-applications](http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2010/04/mix10-part-3-using-dynamic-languages-in.html) > > if Microsoft (I mean someone who can speak for Microsoft) clearly say > > More clarity will also help with using the technology, for example, I > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Eduardo B. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) > > > > > Eduardo B. > > > > > > > just normal organization dysfunction and quarterly reorganization. > > > > This is not to say that we take it off the table. Rather we need to ask > > > > movement, we need to engage with Tomas and the remaining team to > > > > shame. > > > > Finally, we may have a burst of energy right now, but no form of > > > > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/](http://www.ruby-forum.com/). > > > > [http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core](http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core) – Daniele A. > **[clorophilla.net](https://clorophilla.net/)** [http://twitter.com/JoL1hAHN](http://twitter.com/JoL1hAHN) ---
**Author:** ![Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/65b543/32.png) [@Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Orion_E)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/start-spreading-the-news/192901/25 "2010-08-09T22:30:39Z")
If you’re looking for better Enterprise “adoption”, I would say the lack of Visual Studio integration is a big sticking point. Perhaps you are implying that when you talk about Microsoft support. I built a few minor apps in IronRuby with Winforms as the GUI layer. It worked, but it was not as “easy” as it was with C#. On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Michael L. \ **Author:** ![Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/65b543/32.png) [@Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Orion_E)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/start-spreading-the-news/192901/26 "2010-08-10T18:39:00Z") Well, we’ve seen a few plus-ones on talking to Microsoft about their intentions for IronRuby. Tomas or Jim, since you’re both still on the inside, perhaps one of you could speak, on behalf of the community, with someone at Microsoft who can clarify for us what their intentions are? – Will G. [http://hotgazpacho.org/](http://hotgazpacho.org/) ---
**Author:** ![Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/65b543/32.png) [@Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Orion_E)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 4:04pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/start-spreading-the-news/192901/27 "2010-08-09T16:04:49Z")
My biggest concern at this point is that Microsoft make clear what their intentions are with regards to the IronRuby project, the state of limbo that exists in untenable. One of the concerns I hear often is how the DLR is handled as well… is that pretty stable at this point, I was under that impression. The saddest thing about this whole episode is really how unsurprising it is, at least for those that have been paying attention for a while. On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Jimmy S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > going through that normal cycle. I’m grateful to Microsoft for not only > want to make it clear to all of you that this is the first step. > In other words, a complete transition to non-Microsoft ownership. I’m not > you’re interested). Also, feel free to still have the important > This is a challenging and emotional time indeed. Again, I appreciate > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Jim D. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:07 PM > > I think [asp.net](http://asp.net) mvc took a lot of the wind out of this particular > > On question I’d REALLY like answered is this: > > On 9/08/2010, at 3:36 AM, Kevin Berridge [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) > > > > to come up with a much better story around what it is for, and helping > > 2. Embedded Scripting > > > > about what to do. > > > > > > caused the reshuffle were not a conspiracy theory against IronRuby, but > > > > since IronRuby relies heavily on the DLR which wouldn’t be controlled. > > > > are lots of other needs, and if this is truly a community-owned > > > > take charge as much as possible - no one has asked him, and that’s a > > > > > > – > > > > [http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core](http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core) > > * * * > > Ironruby-core mailing list > [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) > [http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core](http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core) – Michael L. IronRuby MVP > **[Michael Letterle's Blog ·](https://blog.prokrams.com/)** ---
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In-case anyone is living under a rock, this thread has just become much more relevant; here’s why: [blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2010/10/21/new-components-and-contributors-for-ironpython-and-ironruby.aspx](http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2010/10/21/new-components-and-contributors-for-ironpython-and-ironruby.aspx) In short, Miguel de Icaza and I will be helping the community guide IronRuby, while us plus Michael F. and Jeff H. will help guide IronPython. Also, IronRuby 1.1.1 has been released, which finally includes IronRuby tools for Visual Studio and the latest work towards 1.9 compatibility. I believe Tomas will send mail about the specifics shortly. ~Jimmy ---
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Let’s not push Tomas or Jim to say anything; This is a big enough issue that I’m sure Microsoft’s PR firms are working on this. Again, I suggest we be patient for the next week. ~Jimmy ---
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This is awesome. The news puts a smile on my face. Super cool. Brian On Oct 21, 2010 8:38 PM, “Jimmy S.” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > In-case anyone is living under a rock, this thread has just become much > more > relevant; here’s why: [blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2010/10/21/new-components-and-contributors-for-ironpython-and-ironruby.aspx](http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2010/10/21/new-components-and-contributors-for-ironpython-and-ironruby.aspx) > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Jimmy S. \<[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) > wrote: > > > Let’s not push Tomas or Jim to say anything; This is a big enough issue > > that I’m sure Microsoft’s PR firms are working on this. Again, I suggest > > we > > be patient for the next week. > > > > ~Jimmy > > > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Will G. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) > > wrote: > > > > > Well, we’ve seen a few plus-ones on talking to Microsoft about their > > > intentions for IronRuby. > > > > > > Tomas or Jim, since you’re both still on the inside, perhaps one of you > > > could speak, on behalf of the community, with someone at Microsoft who > > > can > > > > > > > Ah, after a nice restful weekend of casually looking at the psychotic > > > > twitter reactions, I think I owe this thread a little attention. > > > > > > > > First off, I appreciate the overwhelming support, and I think I speak > > > > on > > > > behalf of Jim and Tomas as well. Thank you for caring so much, and for > > > > all > > > > the personal best wishes. Also, I appreciate everyone who stepped in > > > > and > > > > “cooled” down the situation. Those who see opportunity in this are > > > > well-suited to help shape the future of the project. But enough with > > > > the > > > > mushy stuff … > > > > > > > > The reality of open-source software is that corporate sponsorship and > > > > funding comes and goes, and it would appear the IronRuby project is > > > > just > > > > going through that normal cycle. I’m grateful to Microsoft for not only > > > > employing me, but funding IronRuby to the 1.1 release. Keep in mind > > > > that > > > > Microsoft has not officially said anything regarding IronRuby, even it > > > > seems > > > > my leaving Microsoft speaks volumes. So, let’s just assume what we > > > > suspect > > > > to be true unless told otherwise. > > > > > > > > This is a monumental opportunity for you all, the IronRuby community, > > > > to > > > > rally around something Microsoft invested in, enough to a initial 1.0 > > > > release, and make it your own. However, there are two things we should > > > > ask > > > > Microsoft to commit to during this transition: > > > > > > > > 1. \*Be clear about their intentions. \*I \*know \*this will eventually > > > > happen, but I want to make it clear to all of you that this is the > > > > first > > > > step. > > > > 2. \*Donate IronRuby to a non-Microsoft entity \*(again, assuming they > > > > don’t plan on continuing funding). Though IronRuby is licensed under an > > > > open-source license, it is copyright Microsoft. [IronRuby.net](http://IronRuby.net) is owned > > > > by > > > > Microsoft. The GitHub “ironruby” organization is managed by Microsoft. > > > > Etc, > > > > etc. If the intention is to cease funding IronRuby, then a non-profit > > > > foundation owning IronRuby, like CodePlex Foundation, would be ideal, > > > > so > > > > that we don’t need to jointly own the copyright. There also is > > > > precedence in > > > > Microsoft for internal employees to donate to the CodePlex foundation, > > > > so > > > > Tomas and Jim can continue to contribute. > > > > > > > > In other words, a complete transition to non-Microsoft ownership. I’m > > > > not > > > > the only person with a voice here, so if there is anything else you’d > > > > like > > > > to see Microsoft do for a smooth transition, please speak up and let’s > > > > discuss it. I’m hoping my leaving announcement will speed this process > > > > along, so assume we have little time to provide “demands”. > > > > > > > > After these things happen, then we can all start figuring how to run > > > > the > > > > project, put infrastructure in place, and start figuring out what we > > > > need to > > > > accomplish to release IronRuby 1.2. Or, if none if this happens in the > > > > time > > > > we’d like, we can start FeRb (as @robconery essentially started to do > > > > =)). > > > > But let’s try to be patient with IronRuby itself for now. I’ve also > > > > hinted > > > > at revisiting RubyCLR, but that will be a separate project (do contact > > > > me if > > > > you’re interested). Also, feel free to still have the important > > > > conversations brought up in the previous messages; in no way am I > > > > suggesting > > > > people stop talking. > > > > > > > > Cory mentioned that my “leadership and vision” was lost. I think you’re > > > > taking my job too seriously =P … but joking aside, I just wanted to > > > > move > > > > back to New York and it was time to leave Microsoft, but not Ruby or > > > > IronRuby. So, for the foreseeable future, or unless someone else wants > > > > to > > > > step up, you can still count on me to be the face of IronRuby and write > > > > code. Also, my new job is in the .NET world still, so to stay sane I’ll > > > > still want to work on IronRuby. =) > > > > > > > > This is a challenging and emotional time indeed. Again, I appreciate > > > > everyone’s support and energy. Please keep the energy high, but > > > > directed. > > > > Continue discussing “why IronRuby”. Work in your private fork, take > > > > shots at > > > > fixing bugs or getting more RubySpec tests passing; they’ll eventually > > > > get > > > > integrated back. Continue blogging about how you’re using IronRuby. > > > > Show the > > > > world that regardless of Microsoft’s position, the community is what > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > At this point Jimmy might, but the only one that should be commiting > > > > > there directly is the automated account. Once we get official word > > > > > from MS > > > > > on what will happen with everything, Id be happy to discuss the fate > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > 1. Rails on .NET > > > > > > > > > > I think [asp.net](http://asp.net) mvc took a lot of the wind out of this particular > > > > > scenario, but rails is still literally _years_ ahead of MVC in both > > > > > maturity > > > > > > > > > > Does Jimmy still have commit access to the main repos on github now > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > I think its certainly true that if IronRuby is not a MS supported > > > > > tool, > > > > > there will be shops that will not be able to use it. On the other > > > > > hand, > > > > > there are still plenty of other shops that could use it, if only they > > > > > understand what they could use it for and how. > > > > > > > > > > To date, the story of what IronRuby is “for” has been rather weak. I > > > > > know it’s a language, and so it’s possibilities are just about > > > > > endless, but > > > > > what are the main areas we think people can derive significant benefit > > > > > from > > > > > using it? > > > > > > > > > > If IronRuby really does end up being primarily community driven, we > > > > > need > > > > > to come up with a much better story around what it is for, and helping > > > > > people get started with using it for those things. This could help > > > > > drive > > > > > adoption, which could in turn help drive contributors. > > > > > > > > > > Some examples of things IronRuby may be 'for": > > > > > > > > > > 1. Unit Testing ( > **[Testing C# with RSpec and Ruby](http://kevin-berridge.blogspot.com/2010/08/testing-c-with-rspec-and-ruby.html)** > > Why would you want to do this? Simple: More readability, less ceremony. This means you can write your tests faster, update them faster, u... > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > 1. Embedded Scripting ( > **[Jimmy Schementi \> IronRuby @ RubyConf 2009 – Part 3.5: Embedding IronRuby](http://jimmy.schementi.com/2009/12/ironruby-rubyconf-2009-part-35.html)** > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > 1. Silverlight ( > **[Jimmy Schementi \> Walk-through: Silverlight Flickr Client in IronRuby](http://jimmy.schementi.com/2008/08/walk-through-silverlight-flickr-client.html)** > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > 1. ? > > > > > > > > > > Jimmy talked about #1 and #2 here: > **[Jimmy Schementi \> MIX10, Part 3 - Using dynamic languages in existing...](http://jimmy.schementi.com/2010/04/mix10-part-3-using-dynamic-languages-in.html)** > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Kevin Berridge > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Slavo F. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Only knowing in what situation we really are we can make our decisions > > > > > Slavo. > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand Jimmy will still be around, he just moved to > > > > > > another > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > > > > > person left, and from the emails we’ve received, he’s only working > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > part-time. I don’t know the politics of this specific org, but > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > ex-softie I do have an idea, and that hunch is that the politics > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > participants because of the new awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, I don’t think that what we should do right now is fork > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > since IronRuby relies heavily on the DLR which wouldn’t be > > > > > > > controlled. > > > > > > > This is not to say that we take it off the table. Rather we need to > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > ourselves what holes have now opened up that we need to fill: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Jimmy provided leadership and vision for the project. We’ve now > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > that, and either Tomas will pick this up internally, or we will > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > external person to run with the vision. Regardless, the person will > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > to interface with and understand the vision from the Microsoft > > > > > > > side. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Tomas already mentioned needs like a CI and gatekeeper. I bet > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > are lots of other needs, and if this is truly a community-owned > > > > > > > movement, we need to engage with Tomas and the remaining team to > > > > > > > understand what else we’re missing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. IronRuby has likely taken a huge blow of credibility from the > > > > > > > enterprise adoption side, because if it isn’t supported by > > > > > > > Microsoft > > > > > > > PSS, they will be unlikely to use it internally or in their > > > > > > > products. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All three of these are vital points that we need to think about as > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > community. Someone is going to have to step up to take charge of > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > and it’s not going to come from the Mono side. Tomas may be willing > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > take charge as much as possible - no one has asked him, and that’s > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IronRuby has not had a heart attack which requires CPR. That means > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > need to take a measured, levelheaded response as a community and > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > understand how we can help and how we can respond in a way that > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > sense. We already know from Jimmy’s tweets that he’s planning an > > > > > > > email > > > > > > > for the group - how can we take advantage of the knowledge Jim and > > > > > > > Jimmy > > > > > > > have, and support the work Tomas is doing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, we may have a burst of energy right now, but no form of > > > > > > > sprinting is going to help solve this. This is not a "we have to > > > > > > > take ---
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I love the new IronRuby project types. It brings me much pleasure to be able to do File - New Rails 3 Web Application right inside VS2010! I might not be booting Ubuntu as much in the days, weeks ahead as I have been. Congrats to the IronRuby core team! We greatly appreciate your dedication to the project. Also, thanks to Microsoft for not pulling the plug on something so promising. Thanks, Mike Hatfield Chief Technology Officer Nicom IT Solutions Inc. Twitter: @WebCoding4Fun ---
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Best. Fucking. Decision. Ever. Time for IronRuby to rock and roll. Let’s do this. \m/ On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Jimmy S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Will G. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > > > > mushy stuff … > > > > Microsoft to commit to during this transition: > > > > Microsoft for internal employees to donate to the CodePlex foundation, so > > > > we’d like, we can start FeRb (as @robconery essentially started to do =)). > > > > code. Also, my new job is in the .NET world still, so to stay sane I’ll > > > > ~Jimmy > > > > > > > > > 1. Rails on .NET > > > > > this would help a lot > > > > > > > > > > I think its certainly true that if IronRuby is not a MS supported tool, > > > > > > > > > > (officially) participate in future in IronRuby development? If so, in > > > > > make some of decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > helps us become way more productive in our jobs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I like to propose a pause in action. > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > That said, I don’t think that what we should do right now is fork > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > 3) IronRuby has likely taken a huge blow of credibility from the > > > > > > > shame. > > > > > > > Jimmy > > > > > > > success. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > [http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core](http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core) > > * * * > > Ironruby-core mailing list > [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) > [http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core](http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core) – Michael L. IronRuby MVP > **[Michael Letterle's Blog ·](https://blog.prokrams.com/)** ---
**Author:** ![Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/65b543/32.png) [@Orion\_E](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Orion_E)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 7:47am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/start-spreading-the-news/192901/33 "2010-10-23T07:47:39Z")
🙂 On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Michael L. \< [Previous page](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/start-spreading-the-news/192901.md?page=1)