# Ruby-lang emails getting blocked **URL:** \ **Category:** Ruby\ **Created:** [February 14, 2006, 9:07pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-lang-emails-getting-blocked/53812 "2006-02-14T21:07:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Caleb_T)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 9:07pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-lang-emails-getting-blocked/53812/1 "2006-02-14T21:07:52Z")
It seems that [beryllium.ruby-lang.org](http://beryllium.ruby-lang.org) has found itself on spamcop’s blocking list (which explains why I haven’t gotten any mails in about 15 hours): > **[SpamCop.net - Blocking List ( bl.spamcop.net )](https://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?210.163.138.100)** > > Beware of cheap imitations! SpamCop has been protecting the internet community since 1998. Automatically file spam reports with the network administrators who can stop unsolicited email at the source. Subscribe, and filter your email before it... Caleb ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Caleb_T)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 9:16pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-lang-emails-getting-blocked/53812/2 "2006-02-14T21:16:56Z")
On Wednesday 15 February 2006 05:06 am, Caleb T. wrote: > [SpamCop.net - Blocking List ( bl.spamcop.net )](http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?210.163.138.100) > **[SpamCop.net - blcheck](https://www.spamcop.net/w3m?action=blcheck&ip=210.163.138.100)** > > Beware of cheap imitations! SpamCop has been protecting the internet community since 1998. Automatically file spam reports with the network administrators who can stop unsolicited email at the source. Subscribe, and filter your email before it... I don’t understand, unless someone was using a faked address and actually hit one of the spam traps, how could this happen? Tsume ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Caleb_T)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2006, 12:21am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-lang-emails-getting-blocked/53812/3 "2006-02-15T00:21:39Z")
Hi, In message “Re: ruby-lang emails getting blocked” on Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:16:00 +0900, removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid writes: |On Wednesday 15 February 2006 05:06 am, Caleb T. wrote: |\> [SpamCop.net - Blocking List ( bl.spamcop.net )](http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?210.163.138.100) | |[SpamCop.net - blcheck](http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?action=blcheck&ip=210.163.138.100) | |I don’t understand, unless someone was using a faked address and actually hit |one of the spam traps, how could this happen? I don’t know. If anyone has any idea, please tell me. We do want to resolve the issue. ``` matz. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Caleb_T)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2006, 1:16am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-lang-emails-getting-blocked/53812/4 "2006-02-15T01:16:08Z")
On Wednesday 15 February 2006 08:19 am, Yukihiro M. wrote: > |I don’t understand, unless someone was using a faked address and actually > | hit one of the spam traps, how could this happen? > > I don’t know. If anyone has any idea, please tell me. We do want to > resolve the issue. > > ``` > matz. > > ``` Well, I know how the list was blocked, but the question is, “how was it triggered?” The spamcop list only lists addresses which send mail to the spam trap email addresses. So someone 1) must have learned the location of one of these spam traps, or 2) send a email which had a reply to address to a spam trap by accident. Either way, needs to be solved. Someone needs to complete the delisting form on the spamcop website. > **[SpamCop.net - blcheck](https://www.spamcop.net/w3m?action=blcheck&ip=210.163.138.100)** > > Beware of cheap imitations! SpamCop has been protecting the internet community since 1998. Automatically file spam reports with the network administrators who can stop unsolicited email at the source. Subscribe, and filter your email before it... Tsume ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Caleb_T)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2006, 5:38am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-lang-emails-getting-blocked/53812/5 "2006-02-15T05:38:33Z")
On Wednesday 15 February 2006 11:33 am, Phil D. wrote: > A polite request for information about the emails that triggered the > listing (source headers, maybe content, but not the spam trap address… You mean the admins shouldn’t demand or threaten to sue, just to turn the situation in to a hilarious cart00nie?! (ex. [http://www.ahbl.org/cart00nies/](http://www.ahbl.org/cart00nies/) ) Tsume ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Caleb_T)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2006, 3:34am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-lang-emails-getting-blocked/53812/6 "2006-02-15T03:34:43Z")
“Yukihiro M.” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote in message news:removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid… > |I don’t understand, unless someone was using a faked address and actually > hit > |one of the spam traps, how could this happen? > > I don’t know. If anyone has any idea, please tell me. We do want to > resolve the issue. > > matz. Spammer use random faked return (from) addresses in junk mail headers. If an email with one of the spam trap address as the from was bounced by the [ruby-lang.org](http://ruby-lang.org) server, spamcops process would see the [bounce] message as originating from [ruby-lang.org](http://ruby-lang.org). I believe the process is totally automated, so no human checks to see if the message was a bounce. Given spamcop’s stance on mail management, RFC’s, and bounce messages, even if that is the case, spamcop would probably still list the server as a spam source, because it is sending ‘backscatter’ spam (the bounce). IIRC one of the RFCs says a delayed bounce using the from address in the message headers is not approprite. It must be bounced during the initial transfer, to the originating IP. See [SpamCop.net - SpamCop FAQ: Why are auto responders bad?](http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/329.html) for their information on auto-responders and bounces Undeliverable messages should be bounced early like that, but a list server that is sending confirmation / authentication messages can get caught in some combinations. Of course as Tsume said, it could be someone attempting to signup from the web page using one of the spam trap addresses, and the legitimate confirmation request email getting the server listed. That combination can be elimiated if you can use a different server for sending the confirmation messages from the one used to send the mailing list messages. The confirmation server would get listed, but the list server would still be clear. I have not been an active user of spamcop for some time. They used to have reasonably helpful people on their own news server. They do (did) tend to be a bit sarcastic with any sort of rant about why ‘my’ server should never have been listed, and ‘orders’ to get it delisted NOW, or anything they viewed as a spammer trying to find a way to ‘work’ the system. A polite request for information about the emails that triggered the listing (source headers, maybe content, but not the spam trap address), with the information from the spamcop block list entry, that you are running a mailing list, and expressing a desire to find out what is wrong with ‘your’ system / process could be productive. Maybe suggest that your signup verification may have been the cause. See [SpamCop.net - Help](http://www.spamcop.net/help.shtml) for links to thier NNTP servers. Probably the main SpamCop (general) news group is best to start. ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@Caleb\_T](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Caleb_T)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 2:40am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-lang-emails-getting-blocked/53812/7 "2006-02-16T02:40:45Z")
[removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote in message news:removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid… > Tsume > I had seen some similar samples before (in the spampal news groups), but > not > a collection 🙂 And yes, try to avoid becoming the butt / content of a cart00nie