Leslie V. wrote:
What is the
advantage over the MS way?
Spacers put the user in control.
David V.
On 11/12/06, Robert D. [email protected] wrote:
http://borasky-research.blogspot.com/
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.
- George Bernard Shaw
There are some wiki pages you might want to overhaul or add to:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ruby_programming_language
http://www.trug.ca/Ruby_GUI_Toolkits/archive_of_crap
…I think I have seen more.
Then the next time someone asks this question, everyone should just go
to the best wiki page, add their comments there, and point the poster
to the page.
Can we agree on a good place to put such info? Perhaps a page at Ruby
Garden?
Les
Leslie V. wrote:
anchor there’s only one control, with the spacer there are two. Am I
missing something?
Unless I have my terminology wrong, a spacer can be dragged around to
change the place where the GUI is partitioned. If you dock a control to
a screen edge, it will at best resize of its own will between the
constraints you specify in the IDE.
Also, for high-grade GUIs, mere resizable widget layouting is a very
primitive technique. Using floating tool windows that can be docked
(also by default) to an arbitrary screen side gives a “power user” yet
more flexibility to arrange a UI as he wants: IDEs like IntelliJ IDEA
and KDevelop follow this, also the tool windows in jEdit. And if you
make the most common panels hide and unhide using keyboard shortcuts,
the result is a GUI that will both offer a lot of information when
necessary, and is easily uncluttered when you need to concentrate on the
primary task.
VS and its form designer let you make a GUI quickly and easily. But none
of the “easy” methods it provides intersect with what I personally
consider as features of a “very good GUI”.
David V.
seems.
It’s just that… Well… Ugh, Tk.
David V.
I wasn’t aware it has a GUI builder. I have ActiveState Komodo 3.5
installed on my computer right now. Is there some extension I need?
It’s there on 3.5 as well, but you need the Professional version.
You can download the trial of the professional version and give it
a spinIt feels nice
Good luck,
Alex
There seems to be a few IDEs for Ruby GUIs in Windows or Linux, if
anyone has tried them, comments are welcome!, so here they are with
some initial comments added:
Komodo 4 Beta
http://www.activestate.com/products/komodo/beta.plex
Probably one of the best of the lot, actively developed but it only
integrates TK support. GUI tools available with the professional
version only.
BlackAdder
http://www.thekompany.com/products/blackadder/index.php3
It integrates QT and an IDE for Ruby or Python. It is Commercial, but
how good is it? Never tried it before.
Eric IDE
http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric.html
Open source, looks unpolished.
Ruby in Steel
http://www.sapphiresteel.com/
You need VS2005 for it to work, but looks promising. Windows only.
Free for the time being, but will be commercial, and you do need VS2005
for it to work.
Finally… if you seriously want to do “cross-platform” development,
probably using C++ and QT is the best bet, not free, BUT solid, fast
and there are a lot of successful desktops app out there built with it.
Ruby seems better suited for Web apps, at least for the time being.
Joseph Hurtado
Web D.
from Toronto
On 11/12/06, David V. [email protected] wrote:
Leslie V. wrote:
What is the
advantage over the MS way?Spacers put the user in control.
In what way? A spacer on one side seems to create exactly the same
effect as an anchor on the other side of a control - except with the
anchor there’s only one control, with the spacer there are two. Am I
missing something?
–
Man’s unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather
than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always
astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save us from
our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the
contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts. God has
not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.
- Prokhor Zakharov
On 11/11/06, David V. [email protected] wrote:
AliasX Neo wrote:
Windows users, what do you do to develop GUI’s for Ruby?
Handcode / use Python.
I am curious, but is handcoding Ruby UIs in whatever (Tk by default)
a significant amount of work?
Consider doing the equivalent in Java Swing as a frame of reference?
(painful but do-able).
Basically, I like the idea of making simple UIs in Ruby for test tools,
and software that you don’t sell.
On 11/14/06, Richard C. [email protected] wrote:
Basically, I like the idea of making simple UIs in Ruby for test tools,
and software that you don’t sell.
http://ezgtk.rubyforge.org/ might be worth a look
martin
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:05:26 +0900, David R. wrote:
foxGUIb (http://fox-tool.rubyforge.org/) is a possible option,
but is mainly a gui for building guis, not an IDE in its
own right.
Oh-ha! I didn’t know about this one! And it works – pretty much what I
have been waiting for a (long) while now.
Happy news!
M.
Richard C. wrote:
On 11/11/06, David V. [email protected] wrote:
AliasX Neo wrote:
Windows users, what do you do to develop GUI’s for Ruby?
Handcode / use Python.
I am curious, but is handcoding Ruby UIs in whatever (Tk by default)
a significant amount of work?
I honestly haven’t really tried. Gtk and Tk sort of put me off, since
the former seems to lack data binding, and the latter is just weird - I
could never get the layout right, and those pretty much the only stable
crossplatform GUI toolkits available.
Consider doing the equivalent in Java Swing as a frame of reference?
(painful but do-able).
However, from having used the pre-rewrite wxRuby bindings, it was fairly
doable. Blocks-as-callbacks usually seem to hide most of the ugliness
you’d see futzing around with Gtk callbacks in C, and most of the
frameworks seem to follow roughly the same paradigm of nesting
horizontal and vertical layouts / splitters, as opposed to Swing’s
layout managers. (Of which only the simple ones were meant for human
consumption anyway, the messier SpringLayout was to be generated by a
form designer since that’s where a UI designer would more probably want
to use constraints between elements.)
Basically, I like the idea of making simple UIs in Ruby for test tools,
and software that you don’t sell.
Maybe Tk, since it’s part of the stdlib, even if it has a weird approach
to scrolling, and personally I’d go with Wx if the rewrite gets Stable
Enough. On Windows, Gtk still looks disappointing, has to be installed,
and overall tries to pretend there’s a Linux underneath - installing the
pre-rewrite Wx was a matter of dropping the wxruby.so into
C:\Ruby\lib\ruby\site_ruby\1.8\i386-msvcrt, which scores the people
major points in the Just Works category.
Also, most of Gtk example code is in C, and their object-oriented C API
is… byzantine to say the least, and I find it hard to mentally map
into Ruby. This is less of a problem for a C++ based framework. Since Tk
bindings almost always seem to involve writing Tcl with an alternate
syntax, there’s another double-edged sword there. Code examples are
easily translated, but at least to me, they look out of place in Ruby.
Qt seems more designed to play nicely with the form designer. For larger
projects, that’s a Good Thing - you can happily let a dedicated UI
designer take care of that and the programmers can concentrate on the
controlling code. The downside is that while it could be possible to
handcode it easily, at least I couldn’t find much exhaustive online
material as to how.
David V.
On 11/15/06, Leslie V. [email protected] wrote:
On 11/15/06, Michael V. [email protected] wrote:
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:05:26 +0900, David R. wrote:
foxGUIb (http://fox-tool.rubyforge.org/) is a possible option,
but is mainly a gui for building guis, not an IDE in its
own right.Oh-ha! I didn’t know about this one! And it works – pretty much what I
have been waiting for a (long) while now.
i am very pleased, that my project is helpful for you 
I was also very pleased to see it, but it is a little buggy. Save
often lest you crash.Les
that’s right, there are some bugs, but at least it saves a
*_failsave.rbin file when crashing, so you won’t loose your work
I’d be very happy if anyone has time and wants to support the project
foxGUIb (fixing bugs and/or refactoring …). I myself have very
little time for it due to my study, work and the kids.
– meinrad
On 11/15/06, Michael V. [email protected] wrote:
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:05:26 +0900, David R. wrote:
foxGUIb (http://fox-tool.rubyforge.org/) is a possible option,
but is mainly a gui for building guis, not an IDE in its
own right.Oh-ha! I didn’t know about this one! And it works – pretty much what I
have been waiting for a (long) while now.
I was also very pleased to see it, but it is a little buggy. Save
often lest you crash.
Les
–
Man’s unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather
than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always
astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save us from
our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the
contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts. God has
not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.
- Prokhor Zakharov
On 11/15/06, Meinrad R. [email protected] wrote:
foxGUIb (fixing bugs and/or refactoring …). I myself have very
little time for it due to my study, work and the kids.
Oh if ONLY I’d known about that a few months ago!
There’s nothing like putting the final touches on a hard-won dialog
and then losing it all. I was so annoyed I hand-coded the rest!
Still, I am grateful for foxGUIb and appreciate the work you put into
it. It can be a real time saver.
Les
–
Man’s unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather
than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always
astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save us from
our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the
contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts. God has
not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.
- Prokhor Zakharov