# Ruby Before Rails **URL:** \ **Category:** Rails\ **Created:** [May 18, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-before-rails/60949 "2006-05-18T20:16:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/46a35a/32.png) [@Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Nathan_PSVerni)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-before-rails/60949/1 "2006-05-18T20:16:18Z")
As I, like many people, are coming to ruby in the rails era, I’m curious about how Ruby Web Dev was done prior to rails. Any veterans want to share their insights? ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/46a35a/32.png) [@Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Nathan_PSVerni)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2006, 8:32pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-before-rails/60949/2 "2006-05-18T20:32:03Z")
On 5/18/06, Nathan P. Verni [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > As I, like many people, are coming to ruby in the rails era, I’m curious > about how Ruby Web Dev was done prior to rails. Any veterans want to share > their insights? A variety of different ways. Often CGI (cgi.rb), but there are other web frameworks that existed before Rails. -austin ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/46a35a/32.png) [@Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Nathan_PSVerni)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2006, 10:32pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-before-rails/60949/3 "2006-05-18T22:32:46Z")
On May 18, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Nathan P. Verni wrote: > As I, like many people, are coming to ruby in the rails era, I?m > curious about how Ruby Web Dev was done prior to rails. Any > veterans want to share their insights? Probably much like: perl + cgi python + cgi php + cgi etc… 😉 – Robby R. Founder & Executive Director PLANET ARGON, LLC Ruby on Rails Development, Consulting & Hosting > **[Planet Argon](https://www.planetargon.com)** > > Planet Argon is a Ruby on Rails development agency specializing in maintenance and support for existing Rails apps. Based in Portland, OR, Planet Argon has been a member of the Rails community since 2004. [www.robbyonrails.com](http://www.robbyonrails.com) +1 503 445 2457 +1 877 55 ARGON [toll free] +1 815 642 4968 [fax] ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/46a35a/32.png) [@Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Nathan_PSVerni)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2006, 6:26pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-before-rails/60949/4 "2006-05-19T18:26:40Z")
Nathan P. Verni wrote: > As I, like many people, are coming to ruby in the rails era, > I’m curious about how Ruby Web Dev was done prior to rails. > Any veterans want to share their insights? [http://cerise.rubyforge.org/](http://cerise.rubyforge.org/) -Drew ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/46a35a/32.png) [@Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Nathan_PSVerni)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2006, 7:54pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-before-rails/60949/5 "2006-05-19T19:54:00Z")
“Alder G.” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) writes: > [1] should give some perspective. Something like Borges or Wee is You might find this interesting [http://common-lisp.net/project/ucw/](http://common-lisp.net/project/ucw/) ## Cheers, Surendra S. [http://ssinghi.kreeti.com](http://ssinghi.kreeti.com), [http://www.kreeti.com](http://www.kreeti.com) Read my blog at: [http://cuttingtheredtape.blogspot.com/](http://cuttingtheredtape.blogspot.com/) ,---- | Great wits are sure to madness near allied, | And thin partitions do their bounds divide. | | (John Dryden, Absalom and Achitophel, 1681) `---- ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/46a35a/32.png) [@Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Nathan_PSVerni)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2006, 6:54pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-before-rails/60949/6 "2006-05-19T18:54:53Z")
On 5/18/06, Robby R. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > perl + cgi > PLANET ARGON, LLC > > * * * > > Rails mailing list > removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid > [http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails](http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails) Actually, there were a lot of interesting ideas and implementations (frameworks) floating around. In a sense, it’s natural that Rails emerged from Ruby. Knowing the languages you mentioned, none of them had the variety and audacity of the toys people played with on the Ruby web arena even prior to Rails. [1] should give some perspective. Something like Borges or Wee is most definitely not likely to pop up in PHP, and afaik it doesn’t have equivalents in Python or Perl (despite both having much more time and larger communities). – -Alder [1] [http://raa.ruby-lang.org/search.rhtml?search=web+framework](http://raa.ruby-lang.org/search.rhtml?search=web+framework) ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/46a35a/32.png) [@Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Nathan_PSVerni)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2006, 8:12pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-before-rails/60949/7 "2006-05-19T20:12:27Z")
On 5/19/06, Surendra S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Surendra S. > Rails mailing list > removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid > [http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails](http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails) Yup. So the languages where Seaside(-like) frameworks evolved are: Smalltalk, Ruby and Lisp. Kind of telling, don’t you think? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/46a35a/32.png) [@Nathan\_PSVerni](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Nathan_PSVerni)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2006, 9:33pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-before-rails/60949/8 "2006-05-19T21:33:07Z")
“Alder G.” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) writes: > On 5/19/06, Surendra S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > “Alder G.” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) writes: > > Yup. So the languages where Seaside(-like) frameworks evolved are: > > Smalltalk, Ruby and Lisp. > > Kind of telling, don’t you think? 😉 LOL. There are more. There is one for Java as well: [http://cocoon.apache.org/](http://cocoon.apache.org/) There might be few in Scheme, and Haskell as well. I don’t know if they are really Seaside-like but they all are based on the idea of continuations([Continuation - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation)). Cheers. – Surendra S. [http://ssinghi.kreeti.com](http://ssinghi.kreeti.com), [http://www.kreeti.com](http://www.kreeti.com) Read my blog at: [http://cuttingtheredtape.blogspot.com/](http://cuttingtheredtape.blogspot.com/) ,---- | “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” | – Orwell, Animal Farm, 1945 `----