# Ruby and boogers **URL:** \ **Category:** Ruby\ **Created:** [December 6, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-and-boogers/122313 "2007-12-06T15:47:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/4bbf92/32.png) [@unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/unknown)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-and-boogers/122313/1 "2007-12-06T15:47:51Z")
Hi Found a commercial where Java Duke is contemplating about Ruby while picking his nose and eating boogers: > **[About JRebel | Rebel](https://www.jrebel.com/about)** > > Learn more about JRebel by Perforce, including company history, awards, acquisitions, and more. Mark ---
**Author:** ![unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/4bbf92/32.png) [@unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/unknown)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 4:14pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-and-boogers/122313/2 "2007-12-06T16:14:47Z")
On 12/6/07, removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Hi > > Found a commercial where Java Duke is contemplating about Ruby while > picking his nose and eating boogers: [http://www.zeroturnaround.com/a-javarebel-story/](http://www.zeroturnaround.com/a-javarebel-story/) > > Mark Yeah but he still doesn’t get it. 1. “Even RUBY looks attractive.” 2. The product being advertised might help with his write bug, test, find bug cycle time, but he’s still going to get carpal tunnel from all that extra typing! – Rick DeNatale My blog on Ruby [http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/](http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/) ---
**Author:** ![unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/4bbf92/32.png) [@unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/unknown)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 5:54pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-and-boogers/122313/3 "2007-12-06T17:54:07Z")
On Dec 6, 2007 4:13 PM, Rick DeNatale [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > 1. “Even RUBY looks attractive.” > 2. The product being advertised might help with his write bug, test, > find bug cycle time, but he’s still going to get carpal tunnel from > all that extra typing! Right. Perhaps he’ll learn about duck typing someday 😉 ---
**Author:** ![unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/4bbf92/32.png) [@unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/unknown)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 3:30am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-and-boogers/122313/4 "2007-12-08T03:30:07Z")
On 2007-12-07 01:52 +0900 (Fri), Jano S. wrote: > > [Java blah blah blah] > > Right. Perhaps he’ll learn about duck typing someday 😉 Static typing is infinitely superior to dynamic typing when done properly. Just remember, Java’s failure here is that it does it so badly. As far as folks using Java goes: I write software for a living. The more of my competition use Java, the better for me. cjs ---
**Author:** ![unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/4bbf92/32.png) [@unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/unknown)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 6:14pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-and-boogers/122313/5 "2007-12-06T18:14:00Z")
On Dec 6, 2007 5:52 PM, Jano S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > Yeah but he still doesn’t get it. > > > > 1. “Even RUBY looks attractive.” > > 2. The product being advertised might help with his write bug, test, > > find bug cycle time, but he’s still going to get carpal tunnel from > > all that extra typing! > > Right. Perhaps he’ll learn about duck typing someday 😉 > One should in any case duck when typing such things 😉 > Robert > – [http://ruby-smalltalk.blogspot.com/](http://ruby-smalltalk.blogspot.com/) * * * All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Schopenhauer (attr.) ---
**Author:** ![unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/4bbf92/32.png) [@unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/unknown)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2007, 4:13am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-and-boogers/122313/6 "2007-12-10T04:13:23Z")
On Dec 8, 2007 10:29 AM, Curt S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > On 2007-12-07 01:52 +0900 (Fri), Jano S. wrote: > > > > [Java blah blah blah] > > > > Right. Perhaps he’ll learn about duck typing someday 😉 > > Static typing is infinitely superior to dynamic typing when done > properly. Just remember, Java’s failure here is that it does it so > badly. What is an implementation of static typing that you would consider done right then? A language that makes use of something like the Hindley-Milner type inference algorithm so that types don’t usually need to be explicitly declared? Ocaml or Haskell? Frankly, I’m of the belief that both static and dynamic typing have their place in the grand scheme of things. > As far as folks using Java goes: I write software for a living. The more > of my competition use Java, the better for me. A sentiment that I think no one here would disagree with. ---
**Author:** ![unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/4bbf92/32.png) [@unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/unknown)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2007, 5:21am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-and-boogers/122313/7 "2007-12-10T05:21:56Z")
> Static typing is infinitely superior to dynamic typing when done > properly. Just remember, Java’s failure here is that it does it so > badly. Dynamic typing is infinitely superior to static typing when done properly. Just remember, ruby’s success is because it does not enforce its paradigm onto your brain. ---
**Author:** ![unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/4bbf92/32.png) [@unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/unknown)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 12:23pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-and-boogers/122313/8 "2007-12-08T12:23:48Z")
On Dec 8, 2007 3:29 AM, Curt S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > On 2007-12-07 01:52 +0900 (Fri), Jano S. wrote: > > > > [Java blah blah blah] > > > > Right. Perhaps he’ll learn about duck typing someday 😉 > > Static typing is infinitely superior > of course Curt, of course, infinitely, maybe you can give us some data > for your bold (and that’s a, euphemism 😉 statement. > to dynamic typing when done > properly. Just remember, Java’s failure here is that it does it so > badly. > > As far as folks using Java goes: I write software for a living. The more > of my competition use Java, the better for me. > That however sounds true to me. > R. – [http://ruby-smalltalk.blogspot.com/](http://ruby-smalltalk.blogspot.com/) * * * All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Schopenhauer (attr.) ---
**Author:** ![unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/4bbf92/32.png) [@unknown](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/unknown)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2007, 4:13pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ruby-and-boogers/122313/9 "2007-12-10T16:13:02Z")
On 2007-12-10 12:11 +0900 (Mon), Dido S. wrote: > What is an implementation of static typing that you would consider > done right then? A language that makes use of something like the > Hindley-Milner type inference algorithm so that types don’t usually > need to be explicitly declared? Ocaml or Haskell? Yes. I’m quite fond of Haskell. Type classes in particular are wonderful; they get rid of that problem in Ruby where you’re always wondering which particular equality and comparison methods you should be implementing, and which ones your superclass can safely provide for you. It’s very comforting to write a piece of code and know that, due to the compiler’s type checking, it’s impossible for someone (usually me, down the road) to misuse it. cjs