# Re: Why Does Ruby on Debian Blow? (Was: Mongrel 3.15, Ubuntu **URL:** \ **Category:** Rails\ **Created:** [May 3, 2006, 7:00pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-why-does-ruby-on-debian-blow-was-mongrel-3-15-ubuntu/94416 "2006-05-03T19:00:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sean-lerner](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@sean-lerner](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sean-lerner)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:00pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-why-does-ruby-on-debian-blow-was-mongrel-3-15-ubuntu/94416/1 "2006-05-03T19:00:44Z")
Gregory, I understood your advice. I think this has sunk to the level of help vampire: [http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires](http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires) All of your good advice and help will just keep getting sucked down a black hole. -Sean ---
**Author:** ![sean-lerner](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@sean-lerner](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sean-lerner)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:00pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-why-does-ruby-on-debian-blow-was-mongrel-3-15-ubuntu/94416/2 "2006-05-03T19:00:58Z")
It is not the help vampire. We don’t need help. I solved my problem before my first post by searching this list. It’s not help and good advice here. It is denial … – G. ---
**Author:** ![sean-lerner](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@sean-lerner](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sean-lerner)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-why-does-ruby-on-debian-blow-was-mongrel-3-15-ubuntu/94416/3 "2006-05-03T19:01:06Z")
On 5/2/06, Sean L. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Gregory, > > I understood your advice. > > I think this has sunk to the level of help vampire: > [slash7 with Amy Hoy » Blog Archive » Help Vampires: A Spotter’s Guide](http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires) > > All of your good advice and help will just keep getting sucked down a > black hole. Dear god, I wish they hadn’t published that article. It’s now reached the level of nonsense where people who are arrogant and asinine because they know they’re right are using it to dismiss legitimate concerns with a broken process. Fact: Debian is broken for most people who need anything reasonably up-to-date. Fact: This brokenness is a fundamental design misfeature. Fact: People defend this as a “good thing.” Even though it’s undefensible. Fact: Users are blamed for being insufficently technical when complaining about the brokenness of the problem. Opinion: People should be directed to more usable operating systems. Like MS-DOS. What’s wrong with you people? -austin ---
**Author:** ![sean-lerner](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@sean-lerner](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sean-lerner)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-why-does-ruby-on-debian-blow-was-mongrel-3-15-ubuntu/94416/4 "2006-05-03T19:02:44Z")
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 03:20:13PM -0400, Austin Z. wrote: > Fact: Debian is broken for most people who need anything reasonably > up-to-date. Rewording for truth: Debian _stable_ does not contain the most up-to-date software. > Fact: This brokenness is a fundamental design misfeature. Correct. > Fact: People defend this as a “good thing.” Even though it’s undefensible. Not having your system change out from underneath you when you’re running large-scale production systems isn’t a good thing? > Opinion: People should be directed to more usable operating systems. Please do so. To save slightly on list traffic (hah!) – I heartily endorse your decision to refuse to support Debian users using your software. You are unable to provide effective support for their environment, and you should not be burdened with their problems. - Matt – I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I’m a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I’m a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. ---
**Author:** ![sean-lerner](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@sean-lerner](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sean-lerner)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-why-does-ruby-on-debian-blow-was-mongrel-3-15-ubuntu/94416/5 "2006-05-03T19:01:19Z")
On 5/2/06, Sean L. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Gregory, > I understood your advice. > I think this has sunk to the level of help vampire: > [slash7 with Amy Hoy » Blog Archive » Help Vampires: A Spotter’s Guide](http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires) > > All of your good advice and help will just keep getting sucked down a > black hole. I’m replying a second time because this nonsense has _really_ pissed me off to the point that I will no longer support any railser who uses Debian. Sorry, but you need to get an operating system or distribution where the maintainers and “enlightened” users aren’t so damned arrogant and asinine so as to not recognise legitimate problems. Sean, this isn’t a help vampire thing. I don’t use Debian. I don’t _want_ Gregory to give me advice on how to fix my Debian. Because I don’t use Debian. I write software that other people use. If it doesn’t work on Debian, guess who gets a support message? That’s right, me. Not the idiots who defend nonsensical Debian packaging. Me. Not the overworked volunteers who make bad decisions in the process of Debian packaging. Me. If Debian is the source of numerous problems, AS IT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE MANY TIMES, then the problem isn’t my software. It’s Debian. As such, Debian users must first reproduce their problems on a non-Debian-based system before I will provide support to them for Ruwiki, PDF::Writer, Archive::Tar::Minitar, MIME::Types, Text::Format or anything else that I’ve written. If you don’t like it, why don’t you thank Greg and Sean for their arrogant and asinine responses here. I’ve had enough of supporting Debian stupidity. -austin