# Re: Ruby vs. PHP **URL:** \ **Category:** Ruby\ **Created:** [October 7, 2007, 7:15pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-ruby-vs-php/116591 "2007-10-07T19:15:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![igouy](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ce7236/32.png) [@igouy](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/igouy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 7:15pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-ruby-vs-php/116591/1 "2007-10-07T19:15:25Z")
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: -snip- > The raw numbers that went into this are from the Alioth shootout > page, and what I _haven’t_ done is checked out which versions of > Perl, Python, YARV, Ruby, jRuby and PHP these tests used. They > could be years old or they could have been run yesterday morning. 🙂 > I discarded all the tests for which there were any missing values. Perl v5.8.8 Python 2.5.1 Ruby 1.9.0 (2007-08-14 patchlevel 0) [i686-linux] Ruby 1.8.6 (2007-03-13 patchlevel 0) [i686-linux] Ruby 1.8.5 (2007-06-07 rev 3841) [i386-jruby1.0] PHP 5.2.2-pl1-gentoo (cli) You haven’t mentioned how many remained after you discarded those with missing values: at least 7 discards - Ruby 1.9.0 has 5, PHP another one, JRuby another one. Did you actually include “hello world”? -snip- > Now suppose your boss comes to you, as bosses do, and says, > “well, all them high-falutin’ box plots are dandy, but the board > of directors wants one number for each language!” It turns out > (and I’ll let Google and Wikipedia fill in the blanks for you) > that the one number you want to give your boss, aside from your > cell phone number, is the _geometric mean_ of all the benchmark > ratios. Again, smaller is better. geometric mean (of ratios to most performant program): [http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all](http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all) -snip- > It’s pretty clear to me from these numbers is that the only > reason that deploying web applications on the LAMP stack and its > cousins using PostgreSQL, Perl, Python and Ruby is economically > viable is that they spend most of their time either in the database > or on the network. As in - “we have found that the CPU time is rarely the limiting factor; the expressibility of the language means that most programs are small and spend most of their time in I/O and native run-time code.” [http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/miscfile.php?file=benchmarking&title=Flawed%20Benchmarks](http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/miscfile.php?file=benchmarking&title=Flawed%20Benchmarks) ``` ____________________________________________________________________________________ ``` Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. [http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo\_panel\_invite.asp?a=7](http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7) ---
**Author:** ![igouy](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ce7236/32.png) [@igouy](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/igouy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 9:18pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-ruby-vs-php/116591/2 "2007-10-07T21:18:40Z")
— “M. Edward (Ed) Borasky” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > If there are things I should throw out, let me know and I’ll re-run > the plots. hello The more interesting approach would be how can we fix the other failing programs so you don’t need to throw stuff out - is it that hard to fix fannkuch, nsieve-bits, recursive and reverse-complement for Ruby Core? ---
**Author:** ![igouy](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ce7236/32.png) [@igouy](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/igouy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 8:59pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-ruby-vs-php/116591/3 "2007-10-07T20:59:19Z")
Isaac G. wrote: > You haven’t mentioned how many remained after you discarded those with > missing values: at least 7 discards - Ruby 1.9.0 has 5, PHP another > one, JRuby another one. Did you actually include “hello world”? Allow me to show off in R (left-most column is a row number – ignore it): > ln.ratio[,1:2] > test iter > 1 binarytrees 12 > 2 binarytrees 14 > 3 binarytrees 16 > 10 fasta 250000 > 11 fasta 2500000 > 13 hello 1 > 14 hello 200 > 15 knucleotide 10000 > 16 knucleotide 100000 > 17 knucleotide 1000000 > 18 mandelbrot 120 > 19 mandelbrot 600 > 20 mandelbrot 3000 > 25 nbody 200000 > 26 nbody 2000000 > 27 nbody 20000000 > 28 nsieve 7 > 29 nsieve 8 > 30 nsieve 9 > 34 partialsums 25000 > 35 partialsums 250000 > 36 partialsums 2500000 > 37 pidigits 500 > 38 pidigits 1500 > 39 pidigits 2500 > 40 recursive 3 > 41 recursive 7 > 43 regexdna 100000 > 44 regexdna 300000 > 45 regexdna 500000 > 49 spectralnorm 500 > 50 spectralnorm 3000 > 51 spectralnorm 5500 > 52 sumcol 1000 > 53 sumcol 11000 > 54 sumcol 21000 If there are things I should throw out, let me know and I’ll re-run the plots. > geometric mean (of ratios to most performant program): > > [http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all](http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all) Yeah, I saw that. I wanted to use gcc as the baseline for everything. > As in - “we have found that the CPU time is rarely the limiting factor; > the expressibility of the language means that most programs are small > and spend most of their time in I/O and native run-time code.” > > [http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/miscfile.php?file=benchmarking&title=Flawed%20Benchmarks](http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/miscfile.php?file=benchmarking&title=Flawed%20Benchmarks) For nice tight “inner interpreters” aka “virtual machines”, true, including YARV. I’m seeing otherwise for MRI. This is not news to the Ruby community, btw. ---
**Author:** ![igouy](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ce7236/32.png) [@igouy](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/igouy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2007, 10:00pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-ruby-vs-php/116591/4 "2007-10-07T22:00:20Z")
Isaac G. wrote: > — “M. Edward (Ed) Borasky” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > If there are things I should throw out, let me know and I’ll re-run > > the plots. > > hello > > The more interesting approach would be how can we fix the other failing > programs so you don’t need to throw stuff out - is it that hard to fix > fannkuch, nsieve-bits, recursive and reverse-complement for Ruby Core? I haven’t looked at them. My focus until mid-November or thereabouts is stuff that already runs on Ruby 1.8.6-p110. 🙂 I also threw out some things that didn’t run on PHP, etc. – it’s not just Ruby Core. Just for the sake of amusement, here’s the complete R code that reads your “ndata.csv” file and makes all the numbers and pictures. It runs with R-2.6.0, but it might work with older versions. “reshape” and “Hmisc” are contributed library packages that don’t come with the base R, but can be obtained once you’ve installed R by doing (as “root” on a Unix system): # R > install.packages(c(“reshape”,“Hmisc”)) It will ask you for a CRAN mirror. If you’ve installed the “rsruby” gem, you can do all this from a Ruby program, or maybe even from “irb”. And yes, all of this magic will work on your Gentoo systems, since it works on _my_ Gentoo systems. 🙂