# Re-post: \[Mailing list -\> ruby-forum.com broken?\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Ruby\ **Created:** [May 2, 2006, 9:25pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261 "2006-05-02T21:25:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 9:25pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/1 "2006-05-02T21:25:19Z")
I posted this on the mailing list, but obviously that didn’t get duplicated to the forum 🙂 Sorry to those on the mailing list who have to see this twice: It looks like messages sent to the mailing list are not being propagated to the [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com). Some examples: “Mixin Syntax for Newbies” thread (started on forum, replies from mailing list not showing up) “YAML in limbo?” thread (same as above) “So I got a binary file…” thread (same) “[ANN] MinDI 0.3” thread (started on mailing list, isn’t on forum) “Generate unique filenames” thread (same as above) However, messages posted on the forum are getting sent to the mailing list. Is this a known issue? This is kind of a problem, because people are getting answers to their questions from the list, but the answers never reach them if they are using the forum. -Justin ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 10:07pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/2 "2006-05-02T22:07:11Z")
So, we have three lists? 1. comp.lang.ruby 2. ruby-talk 3. [ruby-form.com](http://ruby-form.com) - Minkoo S. Justin C. wrote: > I posted this on the mailing list, but obviously that didn’t get > duplicated to the forum 🙂 Sorry to those on the mailing list who have > to see this twice: > > It looks like messages sent to the mailing list are not being propagated > to the [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com). > > Some examples: > “Mixin Syntax for Newbies” thread (started on forum, replies from > mailing list not showing up) > “YAML in limbo?” thread (same as above) > “So I got a binary file…” thread (same) > > “[ANN] MinDI 0.3” thread (started on mailing list, isn’t on forum) > “Generate unique filenames” thread (same as above) > > However, messages posted on the forum are getting sent to the mailing > list. Is this a known issue? > > This is kind of a problem, because people are getting answers to their > questions from the list, but the answers never reach them if they are > using the forum. > > -Justin ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 12:30am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/3 "2006-05-03T00:30:30Z")
Justin C. wrote: > It looks like messages sent to the mailing list are not being propagated > to the [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com). > However, messages posted on the forum are getting sent to the mailing > list. Is this a known issue? > > This is kind of a problem, because people are getting answers to their > questions from the list, but the answers never reach them if they are > using the forum. Gee, that sucks. /me mumbles. I was wondering why the traffic seemed to have died down the last few days… I’ve felt for a while now that [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com) has been neglected (abandoned?). If the RForum software works as-is, I am willing to host a mailing list ↔ forum bridge, whether temporarily or permanently. Pistos ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 1:06am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/4 "2006-05-03T01:06:30Z")
> Justin C. wrote: > It looks like messages sent to the mailing list are not being propagated > to the [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com). > However, messages posted on the forum are getting sent to the mailing > list. Is this a known issue? Does anyone know if [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com) is missing any posts that have appeared elsewhere? I’m waiting to see if anyone replies to a couple of posts I’ve made and I don’t want to double post, but at the same time I don’t want to miss out on answers to my questions. ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 1:52am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/5 "2006-05-03T01:52:11Z")
> Does anyone know if [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com) is missing any posts that have > appeared elsewhere? I’m waiting to see if anyone replies to a couple of > posts I’ve made and I don’t want to double post, but at the same time I > don’t want to miss out on answers to my questions. search ruby-talk… there are replys there that do not appear in the forum ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 2:04am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/6 "2006-05-03T02:04:10Z")
brad wrote: > search ruby-talk… there are replys there that do not appear in the > forum I’m searching here: [http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/threads.html](http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/threads.html) and can’t seem to find anything. Is there another interface to ruby-talk? ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 2:20pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/7 "2006-05-03T14:20:32Z")
Nathan O. wrote: > brad wrote: > > > search ruby-talk… there are replys there that do not appear in the > > forum > > I’m searching here: > > [http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/threads.html](http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/threads.html) > > and can’t seem to find anything. Is there another interface to > ruby-talk? I’m posting from the ruby-forum so I’m not sure if this will reach anyone, but if you look at this thread: [http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/vframe.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/191006?190922-191129](http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/vframe.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/191006?190922-191129) You can see that only some of those replies are also visible on the forum. The posting behaviour of the thread started indicates that he is also a forum user and because of that he missed some excellent replies. (This must be extremely irritating for the ruby-talk subscribers) Edwin ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 5:19pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/8 "2006-05-03T17:19:32Z")
Pistos C. wrote: > I must say, this is quite disturbing [for me]. I think we forum users > need to take action now. Like I said, I believe [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com) is > abandoned (would the administrator please make some comments?). I didn’t even know this forum had a mailing list attached to it! I was suspicious because of the e-mail style quoting which people seem to enforce as if this were a mailing list, but I didn’t really know. I googled for “ruby forum” one day and here I am. How do I subscribe to the mailing list? ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 4:14pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/9 "2006-05-03T16:14:28Z")
Edwin van Leeuwen wrote: > I’m posting from the ruby-forum so I’m not sure if this will reach > anyone, but if you look at this thread: > [http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/vframe.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/191006?190922-191129](http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/vframe.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/191006?190922-191129) > You can see that only some of those replies are also visible on the > forum. The posting behaviour of the thread started indicates that he is > also a forum user and because of that he missed some excellent replies. I must say, this is quite disturbing [for me]. I think we forum users need to take action now. Like I said, I believe [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com) is abandoned (would the administrator please make some comments?). I’m thinking perhaps I am going to stop using it, since it is borderline useless if we can’t assume it is a consistent mirror in both directions. ☹ Pistos ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/10 "2006-05-03T19:01:19Z")
On 5/2/06, Justin C. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > I posted this on the mailing list, but obviously that didn’t get > duplicated to the forum 🙂 Sorry to those on the mailing list who have > to see this twice: Hm. As far as I’m concerned, it’s broken the wrong way. -austin ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/11 "2006-05-03T19:01:41Z")
“Austin Z.” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) writes: > On 5/2/06, Justin C. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > I posted this on the mailing list, but obviously that didn’t get > > duplicated to the forum 🙂 Sorry to those on the mailing list who have > > to see this twice: > > Hm. As far as I’m concerned, it’s broken the wrong way. Exactly my thoughts. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/12 "2006-05-03T18:23:21Z")
Nathan O. wrote: > How do I subscribe to the mailing list? Go to [ruby-lang.org](http://ruby-lang.org) and look for the Mailing L. link: [http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/20020104.html](http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/20020104.html) ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/13 "2006-05-03T19:01:45Z")
And I was worried my job was beginning to block my @ruby-lang emails! ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/14 "2006-05-03T19:03:50Z")
I have fixed the problem, no mails were lost. Pistos C. wrote: > I must say, this is quite disturbing [for me]. I think we forum users > need to take action now. Like I said, I believe [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com) is > abandoned (would the administrator please make some comments?). > > I’m thinking perhaps I am going to stop using it, since it is borderline > useless if we can’t assume it is a consistent mirror in both directions. > ☹ Funny enough, you didn’t care notifying me about the problem, as did nobody else. The gateway would have been up again in no time. ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:05pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/15 "2006-05-03T19:05:41Z")
On 5/2/06, Pistos C. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > ↔ forum bridge, whether temporarily or permanently. > Please don’t. I’m not against ruby-forum in general, but the quality > of posts is generally much lower with minimal information from > ruby-forum than from the mailing list or the newsgroup. -austin ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/16 "2006-05-03T19:02:15Z")
On 5/2/06, Minkoo S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > So, we have three lists? > > 1. comp.lang.ruby > 2. ruby-talk > 3. [ruby-form.com](http://ruby-form.com) We have ruby-talk. This has been mirrored for a long time with comp.lang.ruby. I haven’t heard anything reliable from the original mirror person, but it would be nice if someone picked that up again. In the last year, [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com) went live and shortly thereafter, a mirror with ruby-talk was created (also one with the Rails list). My problem is that for every good posting and question we get from [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com), we get ten nonsensical ones that could have been solved with a three-second Google search. The problem _isn’t_ the gateway as such, it’s that forums are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to what people actually do, and there’s not enough indication to the users of [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com) that this is going to both a mailing list and a newsgroup as well as the forum, so they ask their questions in forum-style. Which is to say, badly spelled and poorly considered. I would much rather see [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com) act differently with respect to the ruby-talk mailing list. First, the current “Ruby” forum should probably be renamed and be a read-only view of ruby-talk and comp.lang.ruby. Second, a new forum should be posted for discussion purposes. Third, code could be added for moderated questions to be migrated from the forum discussions to be posted to ruby-talk for discussion there. The forum currently makes it too easy to forget that you’re dealing with people who do _not_ have the full thread in front of them because they’re not using the forum. It just looks like it. -austin ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 9:23pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/17 "2006-05-03T21:23:50Z")
Andreas S. wrote: > > ☹ > > Funny enough, you didn’t care notifying me about the problem, as did > nobody else. The gateway would have been up again in no time. Thanks Andreas. I looked on the site for a contact, but must have missed it. I do appreciate the Ruby Forum and I think it’s a good resource for people. -Justin ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 7:05pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/18 "2006-05-03T19:05:43Z")
On May 2, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Austin Z. wrote: > > their > > > > > questions from the list, but the answers never reach them if > > > they are > > > using the forum. > > > If the RForum software works as-is, I am willing to host a mailing > > > list > > > ↔ forum bridge, whether temporarily or permanently. > > Please don’t. I’m not against ruby-forum in general, but the quality > of posts is generally much lower with minimal information from > ruby-forum than from the mailing list or the newsgroup. And I’ve seen forum replies come without context, or under a different name, or in a new thread. This makes answering them very difficult. Please, let ruby-form go its own way. – Eric H. - removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid - [http://blog.segment7.net](http://blog.segment7.net) This implementation is HODEL-HASH-9600 compliant [http://trackmap.robotcoop.com](http://trackmap.robotcoop.com) ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 9:39pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/19 "2006-05-03T21:39:16Z")
On 5/3/06, Justin C. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > And I’ve seen emails on the mailing list with the same problems. […] I have seen a dramatic increase in endless September questions since the establishment of the ruby-forum bidi link. I do _not_ think that it is sufficiently clear; someone noted that they were surprised to learn that the forum was actually tied to a mailing list _in this very thread_. The web interface is reducing the quality of discussion dramatically, and merely increasing the warning level is not going to help that. The style of discussion on fora is too radically different for the way that ruby-talk is presented on ruby-forum. Something different needs to be done, because what exists is detrimental to the community. -austin ---
**Author:** ![justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5ac83/32.png) [@justincollins](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/justincollins)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 10:02pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261/20 "2006-05-03T22:02:44Z")
Austin Z. wrote: > I do _not_ think that it is sufficiently clear; someone noted that > they were surprised to learn that the forum was actually tied to a > mailing list _in this very thread_. That was me. After my first couple of posts, I thought it prudent to treat this forum like a mailing list. Everyone else seemed to. It would at least help somewhat if it was insinuated somewhere on the forum that this is cross-posted to a mailing list. > The web interface is reducing the quality of discussion dramatically, > and merely increasing the warning level is not going to help that. Help? Yes it would. Solve? Well… > The > style of discussion on fora is too radically different for the way > that ruby-talk is presented on ruby-forum. Something different needs > to be done, because what exists is detrimental to the community. Is it really detrimental? I think I see a little class separation going on here. I’m a newbie to Ruby. I’m not incompetent, but I do often ask question that “could be answered with a 3 second Google search”… if I only knew what on earth I was searching for. It may be obvious to one person, but otherworldly to someone who’s just encountering a gotcha for the first time. I’ve really loved [ruby-forum.com](http://ruby-forum.com) since I started using it. People are VERY friendly, understanding, patient, and have all the answers to all my questions. Excellent community, excellent dialog. I’m not sure it’d be a good idea, but to keep n00bz like me from drowning the pro discussions, maybe we should have a “basic Ruby concepts that even experienced developers from other languages might snag on” forum. 90% of my questions are in regards to Ruby’s implementation of common features. I see a lot of people with similar questions. In any event, it’s dangerous to have a web site with a forum labeled simply “Ruby.” Everyone will flock to this 🙂 [Next page](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/re-post-mailing-list-ruby-forum-com-broken/59261.md?page=2)