# Rails - Tell us what you think

**URL:** <https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-tell-us-what-you-think/85618>\
**Category:** Rails\
**Created:** [February 14, 2007, 10:48pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-tell-us-what-you-think/85618 "2007-02-14T22:48:45Z")\
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**Author:** ![Joe\_at\_CodeGear](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/dec6dc/32.png) [@Joe\_at\_CodeGear](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Joe_at_CodeGear)\
**Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 10:48pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-tell-us-what-you-think/85618/1 "2007-02-14T22:48:45Z")

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My company, CodeGear (the Borland spin-off) has a survey open on Ruby  
and Ruby on Rails. If you have two minutes we’d appreciate your input  
on this survey.

The survey is at: href="[http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp](http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp)?  
u=187863298831

Thanks in advance  
Joe

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**Author:** ![Joe\_at\_CodeGear](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/dec6dc/32.png) [@Joe\_at\_CodeGear](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Joe_at_CodeGear)\
**Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 10:58pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-tell-us-what-you-think/85618/2 "2007-02-14T22:58:46Z")

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Of course I fat-fingered the URL, it should be: http://

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**Author:** ![Joe\_at\_CodeGear](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/dec6dc/32.png) [@Joe\_at\_CodeGear](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Joe_at_CodeGear)\
**Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 11:05pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-tell-us-what-you-think/85618/3 "2007-02-14T23:05:47Z")

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Joe at CodeGear wrote:

> My company, CodeGear (the Borland spin-off) has a survey open on Ruby  
> and Ruby on Rails. If you have two minutes we’d appreciate your input  
> on this survey.
> 
> The survey is at: href="[http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp](http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp)?  
> u=187863298831

Briefly: Yes you should develop a Rails editor, and if it thinks  
outside the box as much as Rails itself does, it could blow other  
editors away.

For example, most Rails development consists of adding a little to a  
view, adding a little to a controller, then adding a little to a  
model. So most editors follow the Rails directory format, and put the  
models up here, the controllers all the way over there, and so on. The  
ability to navigate smartly amongst stuff, without treating it as  
separate files, would be priceless.

However, question 14 lists common problems with Rails development, and  
you forgot to mention automated testing, or refactoring, in the list.  
No editor should make that oversight.

–  
Phlip  
[http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ZeekLand](http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ZeekLand) ← NOT a blog!!

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**Author:** ![Joe\_at\_CodeGear](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/dec6dc/32.png) [@Joe\_at\_CodeGear](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Joe_at_CodeGear)\
**Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 7:22am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-tell-us-what-you-think/85618/4 "2007-02-15T07:22:27Z")

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Thanks Philip, your comments are right on target.

Speaking of testing, does anyone use zentest, selenium, watr or other  
tools in addition to (or instead of) the Rails functional tests?

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**Author:** ![Joe\_at\_CodeGear](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/dec6dc/32.png) [@Joe\_at\_CodeGear](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Joe_at_CodeGear)\
**Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 11:32am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-tell-us-what-you-think/85618/5 "2007-02-15T11:32:30Z")

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We use Rails tests then selenium as part of our acceptance testing.

It cuts down on the repetitive user testing.

Joe at CodeGear wrote:

> Thanks Philip, your comments are right on target.
> 
> Speaking of testing, does anyone use zentest, selenium, watr or other  
> tools in addition to (or instead of) the Rails functional tests?

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**Author:** ![Joe\_at\_CodeGear](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/dec6dc/32.png) [@Joe\_at\_CodeGear](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Joe_at_CodeGear)\
**Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 5:49pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-tell-us-what-you-think/85618/6 "2007-02-15T17:49:38Z")

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Joe at CodeGear wrote:

> Speaking of testing, does anyone use zentest, selenium, watr or other  
> tools in addition to (or instead of) the Rails functional tests?

I use a Wiki I wrote, via pure Ajax, that tests target pages in a  
little IFrame.

Your test button should check-point every file’s state each time the  
tests get a green bar. Then you should Diff and Revert to that check-  
point on command.

And all the tests should run out of one, unshifted, keystroke. The  
editor should remain available and unblocked during the run.