# Rails on Spike **URL:** \ **Category:** Rails\ **Created:** [December 12, 2005, 10:30am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-on-spike/98067 "2005-12-12T10:30:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Ezra_Nugroho)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 10:30am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-on-spike/98067/1 "2005-12-12T10:30:55Z")
Guys, Spikesource has crafted a LAMP + RoR stack for Fedora Core 3, and we would love to share it with others. This stack makes RoR installation a breeze. [http://developer.spikesource.com/projects/railsonspike](http://developer.spikesource.com/projects/railsonspike) We would love to promote it in the rails wiki page, but I want to consult with the web owner first. Anyone know who should be contacted? Or would you guys suggest me to just edit the wiki page? Thanks guys, Love to hear your feedback! Ezra Nugroho [http://developer.spikesource.com](http://developer.spikesource.com) ---
**Author:** ![Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Ezra_Nugroho)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 12:11pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-on-spike/98067/2 "2005-12-12T12:11:13Z")
Hi, Ezra, I’m none of the guys who has the right to suggest anything regarding rubyonrails-sites but imho this is what wiki is all about. If anyone is offended by a contribution he might delete or edit the page. Just go on… regards Jan ---
**Author:** ![Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Ezra_Nugroho)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 4:36pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-on-spike/98067/3 "2005-12-12T16:36:32Z")
On Dec 12, 2005, at 1:30 AM, Ezra Nugroho wrote: > Or would you guys suggest me to just edit the wiki page? > > Thanks guys, > Love to hear your feedback! > > Ezra Nugroho > [http://developer.spikesource.com](http://developer.spikesource.com) Hey Ezra- ``` Wow another Ezra on the list ;-) Anyway, yes please add a wiki page. ``` The rails wiki is there for the community so please just go ahead and add your page. I think people will find your project very useful. Cheers- -Ezra Z. WebMaster Yakima Herald-Republic Newspaper removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid 509-577-7732 ---
**Author:** ![Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Ezra_Nugroho)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-on-spike/98067/4 "2005-12-12T17:09:44Z")
Quoting Ezra Z. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid): > On Dec 12, 2005, at 1:30 AM, Ezra Nugroho wrote: > > > Guys, > > > > Spikesource has crafted a LAMP + RoR stack for Fedora Core 3, and we > > would love to share it with others. This stack makes RoR > > installation a > > breeze. > > [http://developer.spikesource.com/projects/railsonspike](http://developer.spikesource.com/projects/railsonspike) Thanks! This is a cool project. Having spikesource involved should help ROR get traction in the big companies. Here are a few comments/concerns: I found it hard to figure out what’s in the package. It seems like it has a JDK in it as well - is there any way the site page could specify what’s in the bundle? Also, are you creating your own set of tests, or using those out in the community already? Are you planning on contributing your tests to the set of test the ror developers already use? Regarding use of the Open Software License. While I agree it’s a good license for copyleft types of projects, it should be clarified whether or not incorporation of any of your work into rails directly is possible without releasing rails under the OSL as well. The OSL is incompatible with the current rails license (MIT license). Is there any way to dual-license your work so that it is also licensed under the same license as rails is (i.e., the MIT license)? That way, combining code is seamless. The MIT license is not copyleft and grants essentially unrestricted open- or closed-source usage rights. Of all these things, I think that releasing your work under a “copyleft” license that’s incompatible with rails may be the biggest problem. Can you address this? The Academic Free License (Larry Rosen’s other major OSI-approved license) is actually much closer in spirit to the existing rails license. Of course, the MIT license is also OSI-approved and is much more widely used. It should probably be noted the way you’ve licensed your bundle, you are free to take whatever you want from rails, but rails can’t include your code without performing licensing gymnastics - this doesn’t seem fair to me. Do you agree with this? Is there something I’m not seeing? -kevin ---
**Author:** ![Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Ezra_Nugroho)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 10:40pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-on-spike/98067/5 "2005-12-12T22:40:57Z")
Kevin, This is the best that I know regarding your questions. > Here are a few comments/concerns: > > I found it hard to figure out what’s in the package. It seems like it > has a JDK > in it as well - is there any way the site page could specify what’s in > the > bundle? Yes, a jvm is necessary for our “glue” that integrates all the components in the stack. For more information on what is in the stack, please visit our documentation in [http://www.spikesource.com/products/corestack.html](http://www.spikesource.com/products/corestack.html) > Also, are you creating your own set of tests, or using those out in the > community already? Are you planning on contributing your tests to the > set of > test the ror developers already use? This is not our commercial product, we didn’t write any extra tests for RoR. If this we decide to support the RoR stack in the future, we will be writting more tests. Until then, we don’t have additional code to share. > Regarding use of the Open Software License. While I agree it’s a good > license > for copyleft types of projects, it should be clarified whether or not > incorporation of any of your work into rails directly is possible > without > releasing rails under the OSL as well. The OSL is incompatible with the > current > rails license (MIT license). > ( snipped…) > > Is there something I’m not seeing? This stack is an integrated single click package. We did not change most components that is in it. For this one, RoR was not altered. Components carry their original licenses. Our “glue” is licensed under OSL. Please visit this page for more info: [http://www.spikesource.com/technology/license.html](http://www.spikesource.com/technology/license.html). I hope this is clear. I welcome further comments or concerns that you guys have. If there isn’t any other concerns, I’d post this in the wiki page. Ezra Nugroho [http://developer.spikesource.com](http://developer.spikesource.com) ---
**Author:** ![Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Ezra_Nugroho)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 4:35pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-on-spike/98067/6 "2005-12-13T16:35:35Z")
Thanks Ezra - Your answers were very clear. I appreciate the effort that Spike is putting behind RoR. -kevin ---
**Author:** ![Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Ezra\_Nugroho](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Ezra_Nugroho)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 6:53pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/rails-on-spike/98067/7 "2005-12-13T18:53:52Z")
Kevin B. wrote: > Thanks Ezra - Your answers were very clear. > > I appreciate the effort that Spike is putting behind RoR. > > -kevin Thank you guys! I have posted the link in here [http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/GettingStartedWithRails](http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/GettingStartedWithRails) Feel free to edit the text if you want to.