# POLL: Upgrading Unpacked Radiant Applications **URL:** \ **Category:** Radiant CMS\ **Created:** [January 15, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849 "2007-01-15T19:42:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/1 "2007-01-15T19:42:36Z")
The core team is looking to revamp the bin/radiant script in the next release and we are thinking of dropping support for the --unpack flag. The unpack flag extracts the entire source tree from the Radiant gem and allows you to run the gem in “application” mode rather than “instance” mode. Presently, it is becoming a pain to create an upgrade script unpacked Radiant applications, thus we are considering dropping support for them from the Radiant command. If we did this, you could still extract Radiant from a tar file to run it in unpacked “application” mode, but you would be on your own when it comes to upgrading it. Upgrading would still be supported for applications running in instance mode. The pole: 1. Did you install Radiant from source or use the gem? 2. If you installed Radiant using the gem, did you use the --unpack flag with the radiant command? 3. Would you mind if we dropped support for upgrading unpacked Radiant applications (apps installed using the --unpack flag) if it means that Radiant releases can occur more frequently? The more people who respond the better. – John L. [http://wiseheartdesign.com](http://wiseheartdesign.com) ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2007, 7:50pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/2 "2007-01-15T19:50:37Z")
On 1/15/07, John W. Long [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > The core team is looking to revamp the bin/radiant script in the next > release and we are thinking of dropping support for the --unpack flag. If user want to unpack a specific gem, he could use gem unpack ‘gem name’ instead. > The pole: > > 1. Did you install Radiant from source or use the gem? To create extensions: from source (svn checkout) To deploy: gem mode > 1. If you installed Radiant using the gem, did you use the --unpack flag > with the radiant command? Even I added that command to the original script, never used it. > 1. Would you mind if we dropped support for upgrading unpacked Radiant > applications (apps installed using the --unpack flag) if it > means that Radiant releases can occur more frequently? I’m not a Radiant Core developer, but guess maintain the upgrade logic between version is a real pain. > The more people who respond the better. Hope my comments on this worth something 🙂 ## – Luis L. Multimedia systems Leaders are made, they are not born. They are made by hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay to achieve any goal that is worthwhile. Vince Lombardi ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/3 "2007-01-15T20:02:39Z")
> 1. Did you install Radiant from source or use the gem? All installs of radiant that I have performed (both dev and production) have been from source. 1. If you installed Radiant using the gem, did you use the --unpack flag > ``` > with the radiant command? > > ``` > > 1. Would you mind if we dropped support for upgrading unpacked Radiant > applications (apps installed using the --unpack flag) if it > means that Radiant releases can occur more frequently? I didn’t even know there was support for installing/ upgrading in such a way. Anything that reduces core development efforts and speeds up releases gets a thumbs up from me. Kev ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2007, 8:01pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/4 "2007-01-15T20:01:39Z")
> 1. Did you install Radiant from source or use the gem? > Source > 1. If you installed Radiant using the gem, did you use the --unpack > flag > with the radiant command? > No. > 1. Would you mind if we dropped support for upgrading unpacked Radiant > applications (apps installed using the --unpack flag) if it > means that Radiant releases can occur more frequently? > No. I would not mind. -C ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2007, 8:05pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/5 "2007-01-15T20:05:40Z")
> 1. Did you install Radiant from source or use the gem? Source ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2007, 8:12pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/6 "2007-01-15T20:12:42Z")
On 1/15/07, John W. Long [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > The pole: > > 1. Did you install Radiant from source or use the gem? Source. > 1. If you installed Radiant using the gem, did you use the --unpack flag > with the radiant command? n/a > 1. Would you mind if we dropped support for upgrading unpacked Radiant > applications (apps installed using the --unpack flag) if it > means that Radiant releases can occur more frequently? No, I would not mind. Anything to smooth the release process! I think people who want an “unpacked” version should just get the source via download or svn. \*Mars ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2007, 9:26pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/7 "2007-01-15T21:26:02Z")
Quoting “John W. Long” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid): > The pole: > > 1. Did you install Radiant from source or use the gem? source > 1. If you installed Radiant using the gem, did you use the --unpack flag > with the radiant command? > > 2. Would you mind if we dropped support for upgrading unpacked Radiant > applications (apps installed using the --unpack flag) if it > means that Radiant releases can occur more frequently? wouldn’t mind at all - prefer more frequent releases ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2007, 9:33pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/8 "2007-01-15T21:33:03Z")
1. Source 2. 3. I’m all for more updates. BJ Clark ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2007, 9:23pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/9 "2007-01-15T21:23:01Z")
John W. Long wrote: > 1. Did you install Radiant from source or use the gem? gem > 1. If you installed Radiant using the gem, did you use the --unpack flag > with the radiant command? no > 1. Would you mind if we dropped support for upgrading unpacked Radiant > applications (apps installed using the --unpack flag) if it > means that Radiant releases can occur more frequently? no ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 12:13am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/10 "2007-01-16T00:13:32Z")
> 1. Did you install Radiant from source or use the gem? Gem > 1. If you installed Radiant using the gem, did you use the --unpack flag > with the radiant command? Yes – Dreamhost’s ruby server ATM on 2 servers (Confirmed now) does not respond well to custom-installed gems. I had to unpack radiant and then had to toss radius into the vendor/ folder to make work properly on dreamhost. Any suggestions how to correct before I release my tutorial on how to get the web server’s engine to recognize the personal installation of gem? Yes, I made .bash\_profile and source’d it. Also made .gemrc. Restarted dispatch.fcgi (Currently running) and won’t pick up these two gems (Others work) – Yes, I did chmod those as well. > 1. Would you mind if we dropped support for upgrading unpacked Radiant > applications (apps installed using the --unpack flag) if it > means that Radiant releases can occur more frequently? I would mind for now just because dreamhost’s gem is goofed. Will work more on it this weekend to try to make it work to maybe make a better ‘Install your own gems on DreamHost’ tutorial as well. If I could make it work, I have no problems. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 1:04am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/11 "2007-01-16T01:04:36Z")
1. Gem 2. No 3. No ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 1:12am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/12 "2007-01-16T01:12:37Z")
Source / No / No ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2007, 10:23pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/13 "2007-01-15T22:23:15Z")
John W. Long schrieb: > The pole: > > 1. Did you install Radiant from source or use the gem? Gem. > 1. If you installed Radiant using the gem, did you use the --unpack flag > with the radiant command? No. Didn’t even know that this flag exists :-/ > 1. Would you mind if we dropped support for upgrading unpacked Radiant > applications (apps installed using the --unpack flag) if it > means that Radiant releases can occur more frequently? > > The more people who respond the better. Wouldn’t mind it. More releases? … Great! Best regards, Andreas S. ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 3:33am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/14 "2007-01-16T03:33:54Z")
Ditto Giovanni. ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 3:39am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/15 "2007-01-16T03:39:55Z")
Hmmmmm… Hmmmmm… (grooming the goatee, now rolling my hypothetical mustage a la Dali)…err…could we add to the backlog a poll behaviour to Radiant? (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 1:07pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/16 "2007-01-16T13:07:06Z")
source / no / Would I mind?? Are you kidding? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 5:28am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/17 "2007-01-16T05:28:08Z")
1. Gem 2. No 3. No ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 6:17pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/18 "2007-01-16T18:17:46Z")
> instance > mode. I don’t see how folks can use Radiant in instance mode anyway. These folks don’t add stuff to Radiant at all? > 1. Did you install Radiant from source or use the gem? Gem. > 1. If you installed Radiant using the gem, did you use the --unpack > flag > with the radiant command? Yes. > 1. Would you mind if we dropped support for upgrading unpacked Radiant > applications (apps installed using the --unpack flag) if it > means that Radiant releases can occur more frequently? Yes. Cheers, Joannou. ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 4:05pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/19 "2007-01-16T16:05:16Z")
> 1. Did you install Radiant from source or use the gem? Source > 1. If you installed Radiant using the gem, did you use the --unpack > flag > with the radiant command? > 1. Would you mind if we dropped support for upgrading unpacked Radiant > applications (apps installed using the --unpack flag) if it > means that Radiant releases can occur more frequently? Not at all. More frequent releases would be great. I think it’s entirely sensible to drop the --unpack luxury if it’s at all costly to keep. Loren J. FN Group [www.fn-group.com](http://www.fn-group.com) ---
**Author:** ![John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@John\_WSLong](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/John_WSLong)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 7:50pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/poll-upgrading-unpacked-radiant-applications/81849/20 "2007-01-16T19:50:14Z")
John W. Long wrote: > The core team is looking to revamp the bin/radiant script in the next > release and we are thinking of dropping support for the --unpack flag. Thanks everyone for the feedback. Sounds like we can drop it. 🙂 – John L. [http://wiseheartdesign.com](http://wiseheartdesign.com)