# Page Parts as Attachments, Tags, Images, Events, etc **URL:** \ **Category:** Radiant CMS\ **Created:** [July 21, 2006, 11:13pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358 "2006-07-21T23:13:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 11:13pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/1 "2006-07-21T23:13:11Z")
Hi all, Following a few discussions that I read here before, and my site needs I have decided to try and implement an option for attaching files, adding events and other goodies. I decided to try an approach of adding a type to each page part, so thatwhen you create a new page part you can choose the page part type, simple page parts acts exactly like the page parts we had so far, but you can easily create page parts that allows for attachments, setting events, images, etc. I did that by setting a few simple hooks in the radiant source that calls an external PagePart class for managing of the following actions: 1. Showing the page part to visitors to the web page (on calls to \) 2. Showing the admin interface for the page part on creat or edit 3. Saving the page part data 4. deleteing page part data I also added a column to the page\_part table called page\_part\_type\_id Creating new page parts is similar to creating behaviors or filters. You can see samples, screenshots and some of the code on [http://www.drortirosh.com:8080](http://www.drortirosh.com:8080) (hope it is not too slow) Waiting to hear what you think, Dror ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2006, 11:57pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/2 "2006-07-21T23:57:24Z")
Sorry, Link has changed to [http://www.drortirosh.com](http://www.drortirosh.com) Dror ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: dror tirosh [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) Date: Jul 21, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Page Parts as Attachments, Tags, Images, Events, etc. To: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid Hi all, Following a few discussions that I read here before, and my site needs I have decided to try and implement an option for attaching files, adding events and other goodies. I decided to try an approach of adding a type to each page part, so thatwhen you create a new page part you can choose the page part type, simple page parts acts exactly like the page parts we had so far, but you can easily create page parts that allows for attachments, setting events, images, etc. I did that by setting a few simple hooks in the radiant source that calls an external PagePart class for managing of the following actions: 1. Showing the page part to visitors to the web page (on calls to \) 2. Showing the admin interface for the page part on creat or edit 3. Saving the page part data 4. deleteing page part data I also added a column to the page\_part table called page\_part\_type\_id Creating new page parts is similar to creating behaviors or filters. You can see samples, screenshots and some of the code on [http://www.drortirosh.com:8080](http://www.drortirosh.com:8080) (hope it is not too slow) Waiting to hear what you think, Dror ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 4:45am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/3 "2006-07-22T04:45:33Z")
Thanks Scott, The changes are very small, not more than a few lines in theright places to create the hooks and the SimplePagePart you can see on the site. I don’t think it will realy work as a plugin, it is too much integrated into the radiant admin functionality (requires an extra DB column and a few lines of code changed), the change is minimal and it gives lots of options, I started on combining it with behaviors that use the DB records saved by the page\_part which gives even more options. I can send the files I changed to someone who can do a patch of it. Dror ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 5:25am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/4 "2006-07-22T05:25:39Z")
dror tirosh wrote: > Following a few discussions that I read here before, and my site needs I > have decided to try and implement an option for attaching files, adding > events and other goodies. Can you create a “[RESEARCH]” ticket for this and attach a diff? I’m interested in your approach. – John L. [http://wiseheartdesign.com](http://wiseheartdesign.com) ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 2:10am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/5 "2006-07-23T02:10:54Z")
Hi John, I didn’t manage to create the diff file, can I send you the files I changed, so you can create the diff file? Dror ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 4:14am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/6 "2006-07-22T04:14:42Z")
Nice job! Is this something that you can package into a plugin? I was thinking about something like this, but I think John wants to keep things simple. However if we had it a plugin those that need different part types can certainly use it. cheers, scott. * * * What’s an Intel chip doing in a Mac? A whole lor more that it’s ever done in a PC. My Digital Life - [http://scottwalter.com/blog](http://scottwalter.com/blog) Pro:Blog - [http://scottwalter.com/problog](http://scottwalter.com/problog) Snippets - [http://snippets.scottwalter.com](http://snippets.scottwalter.com) ----- Original Message ---- From: dror tirosh [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) To: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 4:11:24 PM Subject: [Radiant] Page Parts as Attachments, Tags, Images, Events, etc. Hi all, Following a few discussions that I read here before, and my site needs I have decided to try and implement an option for attaching files, adding events and other goodies. I decided to try an approach of adding a type to each page part, so thatwhen you create a new page part you can choose the page part type, simple page parts acts exactly like the page parts we had so far, but you can easily create page parts that allows for attachments, setting events, images, etc. I did that by setting a few simple hooks in the radiant source that calls an external PagePart class for managing of the following actions: 1. Showing the page part to visitors to the web page (on calls to \) 2. Showing the admin interface for the page part on creat or edit 3. Saving the page part data 4. deleteing page part data I also added a column to the page\_part table called page\_part\_type\_id Creating new page parts is similar to creating behaviors or filters. You can see samples, screenshots and some of the code on [http://www.drortirosh.com:8080](http://www.drortirosh.com:8080) (hope it is not too slow) Waiting to hear what you think, Dror ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 2:51am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/7 "2006-07-23T02:51:10Z")
Can you post the code to a website? I would love to take a look at it. scott. * * * What’s an Intel chip doing in a Mac? A whole lor more that it’s ever done in a PC. My Digital Life - [http://scottwalter.com/blog](http://scottwalter.com/blog) Pro:Blog - [http://scottwalter.com/problog](http://scottwalter.com/problog) Snippets - [http://snippets.scottwalter.com](http://snippets.scottwalter.com) ----- Original Message ---- From: dror tirosh [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) To: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Radiant] Page Parts as Attachments, Tags, Images, Events, etc. Hi John, I didn’t manage to create the diff file, can I send you the files I changed, so you can create the diff file? Dror On 7/21/06, John W. Long [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote:dror tirosh wrote: > Following a few discussions that I read here before, and my site needs I > have decided to try and implement an option for attaching files, adding > events and other goodies. Can you create a “[RESEARCH]” ticket for this and attach a diff? I’m interested in your approach. – John L. [http://wiseheartdesign.com](http://wiseheartdesign.com) * * * Radiant mailing list removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid [http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant](http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant) ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 3:25am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/8 "2006-07-23T03:25:18Z")
I just uploaded all changed files and a couple of page\_part\_types examples Dror ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 4:24am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/9 "2006-07-23T04:24:53Z")
Are ‘comments’ not best treated as page parts too? Conceptually this seems to work for posted comments in a weblog, as well as reviewer annotations in a document repository. I can’t see how a ‘comment’ or ‘annotation’ has any meaning outside the context of a page. d.r. ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/10 "2006-07-23T04:09:12Z")
dror tirosh wrote: > I didn’t manage to create the diff file, can I send you the files I > changed, so you can create the diff file? That works. – John L. [http://wiseheartdesign.com](http://wiseheartdesign.com) ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 5:04am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/11 "2006-07-23T05:04:41Z")
My vote would be no. I see parts as content that you encompasses a page . A comment on the other hand is not a piece of content (some may argue) that makes up the page. Accessing comments could easily be linked off the main pages nav tree. Just me 2 cents. * * * What’s an Intel chip doing in a Mac? A whole lor more that it’s ever done in a PC. My Digital Life - [http://scottwalter.com/blog](http://scottwalter.com/blog) Pro:Blog - [http://scottwalter.com/problog](http://scottwalter.com/problog) Snippets - [http://snippets.scottwalter.com](http://snippets.scottwalter.com) ----- Original Message ---- From: David R. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) To: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:21:54 PM Subject: Re: [Radiant] Page Parts as Attachments, Tags, Images, Events, etc. Are ‘comments’ not best treated as page parts too? Conceptually this seems to work for posted comments in a weblog, as well as reviewer annotations in a document repository. I can’t see how a ‘comment’ or ‘annotation’ has any meaning outside the context of a page. d.r. ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 4:25am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/12 "2006-07-23T04:25:18Z")
sorry missed the link before the files are in: [http://www.drortirosh.com/source](http://www.drortirosh.com/source) ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 5:10am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/13 "2006-07-23T05:10:42Z")
On 7/22/06, David R. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Are ‘comments’ not best treated as page parts too? Conceptually this > seems to work for posted comments in a weblog, as well as reviewer > annotations in a document repository. > > I can’t see how a ‘comment’ or ‘annotation’ has any meaning outside > the context of a page. Shouldn’t comments logically be subpages in Radiant? I imagine it this way: - Page that takes comments \*\* Comment subpage \*\*\* Comment 1 \*\*\* Comment 2 \*\*\* Comment 3 \*\*\* etc. \*\* Other normal subpages of the page in question, if desired. Having all the comments parented by a subpage rather than the page itself gives us a place to declare things like the layouts, etc. for the comment display, and store info so the admin knows not to display that page’s children in the main screen. ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 4:36pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/14 "2006-07-23T16:36:20Z")
My approach to checking what should be part of a page or not is different, I think the author of the content is the deciding factor. I see Radiant as a publishing platform/CMS, which means we have content authors that use the admin interface to add content to our website, and we have readers, that might add some comments, ratings, etc. Because of this reason I think the actual place where you keep comments is more of a storage issue than anything else, I’ld say that the approach of having it as child pages makes the most sense to me. I do think this raises an interesting problem, if we decide to use page parts, wouldn’t it make sense to have different behaviors to different page parts? I’ll give a few examples - 1. Comments to a gallery page - to do it now we will have to create a child page and probably give it a comment behavior. 2. A book behavior - that shows the childs of each page and has a back, up, next links - this can be used while the page can have any type of content, with different behaviors. 3. Password protected pages that already have any behavior. Etc. What do you think? Dror PS - I know we are kind of loosing the subject this thread started with, but if we are thinking of page part types maybe adding behaviors on that level should be discussed ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 5:32am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/15 "2006-07-23T05:32:31Z")
> My vote would be no. I see parts as content that you encompasses a page . > A comment on the other hand is not a piece of content (some may argue) that > makes up the page. A comment clearly is a constituent component of a page. It is rendered as a part (there’s that word!) of a page by any weblog that I can think of. Same situation when Radiant is used as document repository, or when reviewer comments are applied to multi-person page workflow (i.e. sticky notes on a page, working on the design of a web site.) A comment has either little or no meaning when viewed independently, outside the context of a rendered page (doesn’t mean that the comment must always be rendered, though.) And it seems likely that this will fit in very easily with the part-type proposal for ‘attachments’ being discussed here (roles and permissions need to be addressed though.) Any other approach starts very quickly to look like a special case. d.r. ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/16 "2006-07-23T21:12:52Z")
David R. wrote: > Are ‘comments’ not best treated as page parts too? Conceptually this > seems to work for posted comments in a weblog, as well as reviewer > annotations in a document repository. One of the things I’ve striven to do in Radiant is to come up with generic solutions to common problems–to find the building blocks that make it easy to build buildings. But generic solutions can be dangerous. If you make something too generic it can end up being complex and hard to configure. In the end, instead of making it easier for the end user, you’ve made it more difficult. Blurring the line between page parts and comments might make it easier for developers to create solutions to other problems, but I fear that it would make it more difficult for the average user who just wants to add comments to their blog. Comments will need some sort of moderation system for spam and other problems. Why would you implement a system for moderating page parts? No, as Scott said, the origin of the content (content producer vs. site visitor) is enough to make this a separate object. – John L. [http://wiseheartdesign.com](http://wiseheartdesign.com) ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 12:10am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/17 "2006-07-24T00:10:28Z")
On 7/23/06, John W. Long [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Comments will need some sort of moderation system for spam and other > problems. Why would you implement a system for moderating page parts? > No, as Scott said, the origin of the content (content producer vs. site > visitor) is enough to make this a separate object. And I can think of several very natural ways we could use a generic inherited-privilege system for moderating subpages. Imagine, say, a documentation site: Home Page (site owner) - Documentation (doc admins + site owner) – Topic 1 (topic authors + doc admins + site owner) — Topic 1 comments (topic authors + doc admins + site owner) ---- Topic 1 comment 1 (comment author + topic authors + doc admins + site owner) ---- Topic 1 comment 2 (comment author + topic authors + doc admins + site owner) – Topic 2 (topic authors + doc admins + site owner) — Topic 2 comments (topic authors + doc admins + site owner) ---- Topic 2 comment 1 (comment author + topic authors + doc admins + site owner) ---- Topic 2 comment 2 (comment author + topic authors + doc admins + site owner) The admins of the documentation area of the site don’t have access to mess with the home page or its other subpages. The authors of each topic (or perhaps book) can’t disturb things outside their topic. And same for the author of a comment, if he/she has a user. ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 12:53am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/18 "2006-07-24T00:53:52Z")
Ryan P. wrote: > And I can think of several very natural ways we could use a generic > inherited-privilege system for moderating subpages. Imagine, say, a > documentation site… But again what are we trying to build? Admittedly we could do that, but why? This is not The O. CMS to Rule Them All ™. 🙂 Radiant has limited scope and usefulness. I hope to keep it that way. – John L. [http://wiseheartdesign.com](http://wiseheartdesign.com) ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 1:09am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/19 "2006-07-24T01:09:39Z")
Hi John, My message got specific with details in response to your statement: “One of the things I’ve striven to do in Radiant is to come up with generic solutions to common problems–to find the building blocks that make it easy to build buildings.” Is there a specific reason why you believe this isn’t a good path, or are you just hesitating (not a bad idea when considering a feature)? You and other Radiant users already need some way to support commenting, don’t you? I’m pointing out a way to implement commenting in Radiant that will slightly generalize the tool for broader purposes rather than creating a new narrow feature that builds in more assumptions. On 7/23/06, John W. Long [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Ryan P. wrote: > > > And I can think of several very natural ways we could use a generic > > inherited-privilege system for moderating subpages. Imagine, say, a > > documentation site… > > But again what are we trying to build? Admittedly we could do that, but > why? This is not The O. CMS to Rule Them All ™. 🙂 Radiant has > limited scope and usefulness. I hope to keep it that way. Limited usefulness? Is that an actual project goal? What if it stayed just as simple but gained more power under the hood (and thus usefulness)? Well-placed hooks, etc. will create lots more usefulness and very, very low code clutter. ---
**Author:** ![dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dror\_tirosh](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/dror_tirosh)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 1:26am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358/20 "2006-07-24T01:26:32Z")
Comments should be separate as John says. It’s a little too abstract to start calling everything a page part. Just call it a comment and give it a table and the problem is solved. It’s simple to do and it’s pragmatic to boot. Just my two cents. Josh F. [Next page](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/page-parts-as-attachments-tags-images-events-etc/99358.md?page=2)