Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
Gregory B. [email protected] writes:
Why are you subscribed to ruby-talk if you hate Ruby so much? Is
someone forcing you to use it? And if so, how is that our problem.
If you were using CL (if more people were using CL), and Ruby were not
invented, more bosses would let us use CL as a dynamic language, and
indeed we wouldn’t be forced to use Ruby (or worse, perl or python).
What perfidy! Won’t someone loosen your chains?
I bet your boss won’t let you throw in lots of parentheses in your
Perl code, too.
Of course, you share the culpability with perl, PHP, Python, Java and
Oh, the humanity!
But I’m mostly justified in thinking this, by the authors of most of
these languages themselves. Some of these authors are just poor chaps
not knowing better, but some other including Java and Ruby knew very
well Lisp, and instead of choosing to help develop and spread lisp,
they voluntarily chosed to create different and inferior languages,
picking only parts of lisp, and grafting over their abortive creation
some monstruous syntax.
I know what you mean. I can’t understand why people choose to use
such inferior and wimpy regular expression engines when they could
be experiencing the full power of snobol4 pattern matching.
The fact that these monstruous syntaxes view good in the eyes of the
unwashed masses, and that the lack of features (when it’s not just the
inclusion of misfeatures) is oblivious to the same masses IS NOT an
Yes, it’s all bread and circuses to us. The world’s morals have
truly been weakened by a language that deigns to make users happy!
The only result is that Lisp is relegated as just an elegant weapon
from a more civilized time, still mastered only by a few remaining
And you consider yourself one such Jedi? I wonder. I sense much
fear in you, young one.
Every once in a while you should raise the blast shield and look
around. Even a Jedi will use a Perl blaster when he needs to.
But there is still hope!
So you’re the one prophesied to bring balance to the Language Force.
This is perhaps the good that will come from these evils. A lot of
programmers are now exposed on the goodness of dynamic languages, and
they may notice (or if not by themselves, I will try to make them
notice in threads like this), that their fad language of the day, is
actually some incomplete subset of Lisp, and then why not use the full
and authentic thing? Common Lisp is this way!
Impressive, young Skyparenthesizer. And here I thought Darth Java
had won the Clone/Dup/Bloat War.
You will try to make us notice? There is no ‘try’. You will find
that leads only to the Dark Side.
Isn’t there a better way? Maybe you can do for CL what others have
done for Java and .Net? Were you to do that, you’d have more fans