# Multiple Applications Setup **URL:** \ **Category:** Deployment\ **Created:** [June 11, 2007, 1:28pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508 "2007-06-11T13:28:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 1:28pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/1 "2007-06-11T13:28:36Z")
Hi everyone! I’ve just asked a question in the Rails forum: [http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/111412#new](http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/111412#new) But I’ve been re-directed here for a more detailed answer 🙂 Anyway, below is my original question(s). My development-side question was answered already but I’m still interested in learning more about the production side of things - eg - whether people suggest using Pound or Apache, do I need multiple mongrel clusters, etc. I’ve been using Apache for years but I’m not really familiar with configuring it outside common behaviour and if Pound is going to be a little easier I might go with that, if it will do the same thing? My main concern is how to host multiple applications on a single server - I am a website developer so I’ll likely end up with a lot of sites running on a single server. Do I need a separate application (and mongrel cluster) for each of these? Anyway, whatever help you can provide would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Jay * * * Hi everyone! I’m just getting started with RoR - I’m a bit behind the game! Anyway, I have several website I want to move over to this format and which I want to host on a single Linux Virtual Machine (that’s what my hosting is at the moment, if I have to upgrade to a dedicated server, so be it). So I’m a little confused about how this all fits together - most of the info I’ve read seems to be geared towards a single application, rather than multiple applications. So I guess my question is, what setup should I use for development and production? I have been considering Apache or Pound, with a mongrel cluster running several Ruby instances. But do I need this much on the development side? Or can I just use WebBrick on different ports and be done with thinking about it? When it comes to production what do I do here? Do I need a mongrel cluster for each application? Or can you make each cluster run more than one application, so Apache/Pound can redirect to the same place for all incoming requests? Anyway, any help with setting this up would be most appreciated 🙂 Thanks Jay ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 6:14am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/2 "2007-06-12T06:14:30Z")
There are a lot of ways you can go, and it’ll depend on your apps, what OS and resources are available to you, whether you need utmost performance, or easiest setup and maintenance, etc. From what I’ve observed, Nginx, Swiftiply, and Mongrel/Mongrel\_cluster are the way to go as sort of the best all-software setup. We are migrating to this, as we have intense traffic - both in number of requests and volume/bandwidth expected. However, we’ll have F5 BigIP load balancers in front as well, so in production will be using those for load balancing. Currently though, for development and testing, we’re using Pound, partly because it was trivial to set up. We have 4 Rails apps that work together in an SOA style architecture, as well as serving a fair chunk of static content. We use RESTful routes, and essentially a path prefix, so the Pound configuration was just extremely simple. Each Rails app gets a port range for X number of Mongrels (via Mongrel Cluster) on a given machine, and then Pound directs traffic and load balances across all that. Works quite well, and is nice and easy to maintain. Pound does bog down at a certain level of traffic, but for development work, and main testing purposes it is quite fine. Our production setup is more complicated, and involves hardware load balancing via the F5’s as mentioned, and we’ll be using Nginx in a few ways as well, Pound will be out, etc. We don’t use Apache, but you may or may not need it depending on your needs/constraints/requirements (for example, if you need a particular Apache module, or that’s all a VPS can give you, or whatever). On 6/11/07, James H. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > - I am a website developer so I’ll likely end up with a lot of sites > Hi everyone! > production? I have been considering Apache or Pound, with a mongrel > Jay > > – > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/](http://www.ruby-forum.com/). > > > – Chris B. removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 11:03am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/3 "2007-06-12T11:03:13Z")
On 6/12/07, James H. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > In terms of development I think using Pound might be a bit > overkill for the moment as well, until I get lots of sites going I can > just start up mongrels manually. On a 150 Mb VM, you may not be able to squeeze more than one Mongrel in. And if one request stalls in that single Mongrel, your entire site goes unresponsive (Mongrel w/ Rails is essentially a single-threaded process). For any decent uptime, you need at least two Mongrels and a software load balancer of some sort. Some sort of monitoring for crashing Mongrels / endless loops / memory leaks is useful. Also, 150 Mb of RAM may prove insufficient for more than a single Mongrel. Have a look here: [http://studios.thoughtworks.com/rubyworks](http://studios.thoughtworks.com/rubyworks). This may be about right for your needs, if you reduce the number of Mongrels in the cluster from 4 to 2. – Alex ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 10:53am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/4 "2007-06-12T10:53:55Z")
Hi Chris Thanks very much for your reply. In terms of OS I’m looking at using Ubuntu. Apps-wise I’m not sure yet, but I’m hoping to keep the number of apps down to a minimum by sharing between sites - ie - 2+ simple sites run off the same app but with different content/layouts/etc. Not sure how this is going to work yet, but it must be possible? In terms of resources I’m (planning on) using the most basic VM option available through [www.bytemark.co.uk](http://www.bytemark.co.uk), that is, 150MB RAM, until I need more and then I’ll change. I’d never heard of Nginx before but it certainly sounds like a good solution. So let me get this straight - on the development side you have Pound (load balancing, traffic direction) running in front of N mongrel clusters. On your production you have hardware load balancers, with Nginx as your main server and again N mongrel clusters. Oh for a whiteboard?! I don’t think I’ll need such a complex production system as it sounds like you’re getting a lot more traffic than I am expecting, at least initially. In terms of development I think using Pound might be a bit overkill for the moment as well, until I get lots of sites going I can just start up mongrels manually. Anyway, thanks for your help - I think I have more of an idea where I am going now and I’ll certainly have a look at nginx as a possible production server. Thanks Jay ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 11:45am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/5 "2007-06-12T11:45:58Z")
Hi Alex Thanks for your comments - I didn’t realise I sailing so close to the wind! I was planning on having a fair few apps running and multiple mongrels serving each of these - clearly this isn’t going to be possible on this setup. I am a bit annoyed that no-one has alerted me of this problem earlier, especially the server company, who I am just about to sign up with. Hmmm, not sure what to do now, as I say I have multiple websites, which I’m looking to run as several apps - and as they are client sites I can’t really afford for them to be slow/holding each other up. Perhaps we’re looking at a dedicated server… Are there some stats somewhere - eg - memory usage for mongrel - that I look at to see what might work best? Or do you have any suggestions? Other than the Thought Works one, I’m looking at that now 🙂 Thanks Jay ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 9:25pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/6 "2007-06-12T21:25:14Z")
On some of the larger sites we host doing 20-30 million hits a day, we’re running 16 mongrels on number of dedicated boxes. Each mongrel uses approx 70 Megs of RAM. Nginx doesn’t even register for ram utilization. We recommend to our clients at-least 512 megs of ram for Virtual Servers and 2-4 Gigs of Ram for dedicated servers. That’s been a winning combination so far. – Jesse P. Blue Box Group, LLC p. +1.800.613.4305 x801 e. removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2007, 11:48am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/7 "2007-06-13T11:48:21Z")
Hi Alex/Jesse Thanks for your responses - clearly I have grossly underestimated the loads involved in running a single RoR app, let alone a fleet of them! So I am stuck ☹ Can anyone think of a cost effective and maintainable way to host my sites, described below? I have several sites (about 10) which I have developed on behalf of clients - mostly small businesses near where I live. The sites vary greatly in complexity - there are entirely static sites, mostly static sites (with the occasional dynamic page), mostly dynamic sites (where the page content is generated on the fly) and entirely dynamic sites, where the user can login, create new pages on the site, create news items which will be displayed on the home and news pages, etc. None of these sites receive a huge amount of traffic - the total for all the sites is about 10,000 page requests per day. So I was thinking I could host each of these as a separate RoR app - how wrong I was 🙂 So now I am thinking I could host the whole lot as a single app, with a couple of mongrels running the whole shebang. But having considered this I am presented with a few problems: db separation - each dynamic site should (ideally) have it’s own db; controller/action selection - two requests selecting the same controller/action on different sites/domains should (probably) select different controllers, even if they all inherit from some default controller; I can’t think of any others now, but I’m sure there are a few. Previously I’ve been using plain, old CGI to do all this. Yes I know my setup is archaic, but at least I have realised that now and am trying to do something about it 🙂 So currently most of my page URLs are something like: [http://www.mydomain.com/cgi-bin/controller.cgi?p=action](http://www.mydomain.com/cgi-bin/controller.cgi?p=action) I am keen to get all of my sites using the RoR style of URL formatting, since (for starters) I think it is more user friendly: [http://www.mydomain.com/controller/action/](http://www.mydomain.com/controller/action/) I’d love to use RoR for the dynamic sections of the sites - I’ve only been using it for a couple of days and already I feel like I’m more productive. But is this going to be possible? Anyway, any and all suggestions gratefully received - I think I’ve dug myself a bit of a hole, now I just need to find some way out! Thanks Jay ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 11:00pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/8 "2007-06-12T23:00:33Z")
On 6/12/07, Jesse P. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Each mongrel uses approx 70 Megs of RAM. 50 to 80 is the range I’ve seen. You should also set up the load balancer in such a way that it never sends more than one request at a time to any Mongrel process, when a Mongrel is overloaded even for a few minutes, it will allocate another up to 50 Mb and never release it back. 512 Mb is the minimum you need for 4 Mongrels, which is usually enough to exhaust CPU / system bus speed limits on a commodity Dual Core box. In equally vague terms, it should usually be enough to handle a normal slashdotting (sustained load of 10-20 hits per second) with a reasonably well-tuned Rails app and no page caching. Assuming your database is on another box. Having said that, there are applications and applications. Something like a blog (99% page-cached traffic) can be hosted on a 100 Mb VM with a single Mongrel behind Apache. – Alex Verkhovsky RubyWorks ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2007, 5:08pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/9 "2007-06-13T17:08:09Z")
Hi Chris Thanks for your post - much appreciated. So LiteSpeed can handle concurrent connections to different apps? But with less memory usage than Apache+mongrel? That might be what I am after 🙂 Quick question on a related subject - does anyone know how much memory a single MySQL connection uses? So if (say) I had ten websites running in separate RoR apps with a MySQL connection to each, what is my memory footprint likely to be? Just trying to get a feel for what solutions are possible/realistic. Cheers Jay ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2007, 4:31pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/10 "2007-06-13T16:31:21Z")
Hi Jay, I’ve a TON less experience than these guys with Rails deployment, so take what I’m suggesting with a grain of salt. All my Rails apps are internal, not external, so I’m not seeing traffic like you are. However, with that said… I’ve had a LOT of (good) luck with using LiteSpeed ([http://www.litespeedtech.com](http://www.litespeedtech.com)) as my web server to serve both static and dynamic content. The memory footprint is much less than Apache+mongrel, and it just runs; I don’t have to monitor it for zombie mongrel processes. They have a custom interface/API (LSAPI) that alows the web server to talk to Ruby, and it’s FAST… Take a look and see if that might be a solution in the context of your VPS… – Best Regards, Chris ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 11:53am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/11 "2007-06-15T11:53:15Z")
It all depends on how similar these sites are and if they need to share code? If each site is completely separate I’d probably want to look at the option of a VPS for each site, perhaps with a single vps serving the dbs for all the sites. With the number of sites you are talking about it might work out cheaper to have a dedicated machine and use xen to slice up your own VPS. Doing it this way mean that each site has dedicated resources, each site would be easier to scale, and you will only need to scale the site that is getting the traffic. If your sites are fairly small, and unlikely to get high traffic, you might want to look at a shared host? Its not ideal, and you would have to plan how you would scale up should you need to in the future, but it would be much cheaper. Steve On Jun 13, 4:13 pm, James H. \ **Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2007, 5:13pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/12 "2007-06-13T17:13:33Z") On a slightly different note one of my friends suggested the following: You can probably make the app (apache, lighttpd or whatever) which is calling mongrel or the .fcgi re-write URLs so that e.g. [Custom Application Development Software for Business - Salesforce.com](http://www.site.com/:controller/:action) looks like: http://…/:site/:controller/:action and modify routes.rb, as I’ve done this myself, to skin an identical site in different ways. Maybe you could even re-write as below, saving yourself the route changes and maximising the separation: http://…/:site\_controller/:action Which seems like a good plan? That way I can create controllers for each site and I can (presumably) inherit from a default controller for each case. What do people think? Does this actually help me at all? Thanks Jay ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 1:13pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/13 "2007-06-15T13:13:18Z")
Hi Steve Thanks for your reply. I am currently AT the shared host stage and I’m looking to move forward from there. None of the sites receive a massive amount of traffic at the moment but I have a few sites in the pipeline that might receive a bit more. Also, I am looking to share as much code as possible. I’ve written some functions which I use in most of my code and I need these to be available to all the sites, rather than maintaining several different versions! Anyway, so that is where I am at. Quick question - does anyone know how much memory a connection to MySQL uses? I’ve ruled out the multiple mongrels accessing multiple DBs on the premise that it will use too much memory, but if MySQL does not use that much memory this might be worth going for? Still a bad solution to a bad problem, but it looks like I’ll have to compromise somewhere… Cheers Jay ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 1:55pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/14 "2007-06-15T13:55:44Z")
Chris B. I was wondering if you could give a little more detail on your Pound setup, specifically: 1.) How much load/traffic till it started to bog down 2.) What were the specs of the machine/VM you were running it on? We’re looking at Pound for starters and would like to the some numbers other people are getting before performance starts taking a hit. ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/15 "2007-06-15T14:43:34Z")
Hi Chris Actually I haven’t setup anything yet, I was trying to determine the same as you - whether the VM I am considering (150MB) has any chance of running the application I am considering. Cheers Jay ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 5:27pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/16 "2007-06-15T17:27:21Z")
Jay, In your situation I probably would go with Litespeed too. It’s easier to setup sites (web interface) and it handles all the processes behind the curtain for you. It will open ruby processes for each Rails site you do (30-70Mb each) so your RAM requirements are surely higher than 150MB. I don’t have your full numbers but I’d say 512Mb should probably do it. On the hosting side I would recommend going with Slicehost ($38 for 512, $70 for 1024) which I’m testing right now and it’s been great for me and have heard really good things about it. And if you don’t have lots of sysadmin experience there is a set of tutorials [1] that is great to set up a secured Ubuntu server with Ruby, Rails, PHP, LiteSpeed and MySQL. Hope this helps, Adrian M. [1] [http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/4/ubuntu-setup-page-1](http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/4/ubuntu-setup-page-1) On Jun 13, 9:08 am, James H. \ **Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 5:36pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/17 "2007-06-15T17:36:06Z") Hi Adrian/Chris Thanks for your responses. Chris: Yes, I am worried about the whole same app/same database model too. Seems like a bad plan to me, hence why I have stayed away from it thus far. I think you’re right - providing the functionality I require in the form of a plugin is the correct way to go. I’m never going to be able to write no new code at all, the important thing is to reuse the difficult stuff 🙂 Adrian: I’ll look into Slicehost now. $38 seems very cheap for 512, what am I missing? Apart from a box to sign in 🙂 I agree LiteSpeed sounds like the best option server-wise - I’d never heard of it before now but seems fairly self-explanatory and worth looking into. Cheers Jay ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 3:29pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/18 "2007-06-15T15:29:59Z")
replied in line On Jun 15, 12:13 pm, James H. \ wrote: > Also, I am looking to share as much code as possible. I’ve written some > functions which I use in most of my code and I need these to be > available to all the sites, rather than maintaining several different > versions! Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. If they are sharing code, in terms of needing the same functions, you would be better to extract that functionality into plugins. When I said sharing code, I really meant sharing data, meaning that they needed the same database. I’d worry about having unrelated apps running as part of the same mongrel cluster accessing the same data base. > Anyway, so that is where I am at. Quick question - does anyone know how > much memory a connection to MySQL uses? I’ve ruled out the multiple > mongrels accessing multiple DBs on the premise that it will use too much > memory, but if MySQL does not use that much memory this might be worth > going for? Still a bad solution to a bad problem, but it looks like I’ll > have to compromise somewhere… Not sure about memory use, but doubt its significant. Take a look at: [http://drnicwilliams.com/2007/04/12/magic-multi-connections-a-facility-in-rails-to-talk-to-more-than-one-database-at-a-time/](http://drnicwilliams.com/2007/04/12/magic-multi-connections-a-facility-in-rails-to-talk-to-more-than-one-database-at-a-time/) Steve ---
**Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 6:02pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/19 "2007-06-15T18:02:26Z")
Jay, You have full control over your VPS: root access, add/remove packages, etc. The only thing you are missing is the full power to the HW since you are sharing it with other people. But you also pay a fraction so it evens up. And you can buy backups and you get RAID1 for free so it is hard to match value on a dedicated server. BTW, if you need that the best value I’ve found (and using) is [cari.net](http://cari.net) [1], you can get started for $60/mo. Although I would highly recommend RAID1 and backups at the very least. Now on the development side I gotta say that you shouldn’t have to go through the hassle of setting up one app for multiple domains because of the cost. A VPS like we talked before should handle multiple apps. BTW, SliceHost[1] let’s you resize your VPS up or down (256 ↔ 512 ← > 1. in literally minutes so getting the amount of resources you > need shouldn’t be a problem. Now,if you really need an app to handle > multiple domains with different logic for each url you can deinitely > do it but it won’t be an easy road. I have a framework that does > something similar and I can tell you that Rails wasn’t made to make > your life easier down that road. If you really need more info on that > we can talk some more other time. Hope it helps, AEM [1] [http://slicehost.com](http://slicehost.com) On Jun 15, 9:36 am, James H. \ **Author:** ![sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sjames](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sjames)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 6:13pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508/20 "2007-06-15T18:13:09Z") Hi Adrian Thanks for your reply again. Sounds fair enough, the VPS seems a good option and without the memory limitations I was having with the other hosting package. My one problem with Slicehost is that they are based in the US, where as most of the clients I am working for will be based in the UK - do you perceive that being a problem? I agree on the backups issue - I’ve had problems with that before, it’s not worth risking it. I entirely agree with your comments re development - when I first started out with Rails I hadn’t even conceived the idea that I might have to serve multiple sites via a single app. I guess the only way to tell with this stuff is to suck it and see. So, that said, I’ll probably move some of the less important sites across first and see how they perform. Then I’ll move the bigger ones over one and a time. Hopefully 1) everything won’t come crashing down around my ears 2) if it does it can be fixed by using the next size of VPS. Anyway, thanks for your help, I appreciate the time you’ve spent advising me. I owe you a pint 🙂 Cheers Jay [Next page](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/multiple-applications-setup/106508.md?page=2)