Been using both.
My MBP is in the shop (a lot of problems) and have been using my
friends
black MB.
I love the MB’s keyboard. It feels a lot more solid and responsive
than
the standard MBP and PB keyboards.
Also, the MB has a magnetized lid closure system, which is soooo much
better
than the MBP / PB latch system.
These two things (as well as the plastic build actually), make the MB
seem a
lot tougher, which is nice. I’d compare it to the feel of a Thinkpad I
recently retired, which is the only laptop I’d recommend aside from an
Apple
one.
However, I still love the 15" screen of the MBP… and, the MBP has a
lot
better graphics, if that matters to you at all.
I think both models are awesome. I only wish they made an MBP with the
same
structure as the MB. This would be the ultimate laptop 
Don’t know much about macs, but if you buy a laptop, you can safely
stick to
wired mouse. On my laptop, I use a standard logitech optical mouse (
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2146,CONTENTID=8142).
It’s cheap, small and easy to pack when you travel. For my desktops, I
use a
mx700 and a mx1000. I am not really satisfied with the plastic of the
mx1000, and I would rather advise a mx700.
Pat L. wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for the advice in regard to the wireless mouse and kb. I will
follow it.
Cheers
I’ve had a contrary experience with my wireless mouse / keyboard combo.
I couldn’t live without them, and the mouse is rechargable. 
I’m not
sure if it would work on OS X though (since I haven’t tried it). They
claim that it will, and it came with drivers. Logitech® MX?1000 Laser
Cordless Mouse
(http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2135,CONTENTID=9043).
This is hands down, the most comfortable mouse I’ve ever played with. If
you doubt it, go to the local electronics store and check it out.
Wireless keyboards are a dime a dozen, and I’ve had mine for three
months and still haven’t replaced the “included” battery set that came
with it. :: shrug :: I hope to be trying them with a Mac Mini within the
next few months and will report.
-Curtis
On 5/26/06, Jon Gretar B. [email protected] wrote:
I use a 12" PowerBook. I just had a 19" monitor to it when needed.
Worked fine. Thinking about getting the black MacBook next since I got
a Mac Mini at home and using Subversion really allows me to work
wherever and on whatever my mood takes me.
I’ve been thinking about getting a Mac Mini (to replace an aging
Thinkpad T30 of all things). I don’t really need a laptop, as I can
leave a monitor at home and work, and I rarely if ever travel. My
intention would be to dual boot Win XP and OS X.
I’ve heard, however, that the fan noise from the Mac Mini can be
pretty obnoxious. Do you have any problems with this? Do you find
your mini to be significantly louder than your average laptop?
One negative that I’ve found with the Mini specs is that all of the
HDDs are 5400 rpm. I realize that higher speed means more heat, which
translates into more cooling noise, but I think I’d still be looking
to rip out whatever HDD it came with and putting something better in.
Do Macs ship with a complete copy of the OS installation, so that I
could easily start from bare hardware?
Forgive my naivety. The last Mac I owned was a 68030 Motorola clone
that ran System 7, LinuxPPC and BeOS. i.e. It’s been a while.
– James
I think both models are awesome. I only wish they made an MBP with the
same
structure as the MB. This would be the ultimate laptop
this exists. its the MSI MS-1058. except youll have to make some
compromises. like getting an additional row of page{up,down,home,end}
keys along the right edge for quick blog/code/terminal navigation
without needing an extra hand for a modifier key, an extra mouse button,
a solid magnesium enclosure, a 64bit chip instead of 32, no parts
included except the screen and mainboard so youll have to buy them from
newegg, click them in yourself, and spend about $999 total instead of
$2499. so yeah, i can see why youd want to get a mac instead 
FinalCutPro is just SO_COOL and doesnt run well on pirated OSX. oh and
can’t forget about TextMate…
On May 30, 2006, at 1:27 PM, James L. wrote:
Do Macs ship with a complete copy of the OS installation, so that I
could easily start from bare hardware?
Yes.
Free development tools too.
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– Tom M.
Don’t hesitate just do it I love my MacTEL - I just got the MacBook
– I have a mini (intel) I’ll sale you too
chris
The fan noise is not a problem.
Compared to a laptop it may be louder. But as a desktop it is one of
the most quiet available. The reason for that is the external power
supply. So no electrics warming everything up.
Regarding the HD. Yup. It’s not nice. You could always get yourself an
external SATA drive and that would be faster than anything.
On 5/30/06, James L. [email protected] wrote:
Forgive my naivety. The last Mac I owned was a 68030 Motorola clone
that ran System 7, LinuxPPC and BeOS. i.e. It’s been a while.
– James
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On 30-mei-2006, at 7:15, cdr wrote:
Joe wrote:
I think iTerm is slow regardless of how much memory the machine
has. I
recently switched from it back to Terminal. I liked iTerm, except the
delay between typed characters just became too intolerable.
Feels OK to me both on my Titanium 867and on the Quad G5
–
Julian ‘Julik’ Tarkhanov
please send all personal mail to
me at julik.nl
Joe wrote:
I think iTerm is slow regardless of how much memory the machine
has. I
recently switched from it back to Terminal. I liked iTerm, except
the
delay between typed characters just became too intolerable.
Feels OK to me both on my Titanium 867and on the Quad G5
Mine too, Titanium 867, so definitely not the fastest machine around
these days.
Best regards
Peter De Berdt
Hi Nathan -
I have both a 12" iBook G4 and a 15" PB G4 (without the newer hi-res
screen). Having spent a good part of a flight this weekend doing
development on the iBook, I can say it’s pretty frustrating working on
such a small screen. Granted, the new MB has a bigger screen and higher
res, so it may be less constraining, but personally I wouldn’t want to
use a screen smaller than 15" for extended development. Then again, I
usually use a 20" Apple Cinema Display for development, so maybe I am
just used to working on a big screen. If you are planning on using the
13" with an external monitor most of the time, then you might be ok.
Another issue with the MB is the glossy screen, which is an option on
the MBP. I think the glossy screen might be great for movies and
photos, but I think the matte screen will be easier on the eyes after
many hours of looking at code. Again, an external monitor would
probably make this a moot point.
If you have to make a tradeoff between options, I’d say go with more RAM
over faster processor speed. OS X is pretty RAM hungry. Go with
Crucial for the RAM and install it yourself, you can save 50% or more
over buying from Apple, and it’s the exact same hardware.
My ideal setup is to have a loaded laptop with a big external monitor,
keyboard, and mouse. Don’t get the Apple peripherals, they’re not so
good. I have a matias tactilepro keyboard (clicky IBM-like keys) with a
Logitech MX Laser 1000 mouse. Contrary to what a different poster
mentioned, the Logitech wireless laser mouse (as opposed to red LED) has
excellent battery life. I charge it once every two weeks or so of heavy
use, compared to my previous Logitech wireless (an MX 700 which uses a
red LED instead of a laser), which I had to charge once every two or
three days.
I use a Microsoft wireless laptop mouse when out and about with my
laptop, it’s very portable and uses a little wireless USB dongle. Using
the touch pad for a long time hurts my wrists. Had it for months and
haven’t had to replace the AA battery yet.
Ken
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On 5/30/06, James L. [email protected] wrote:
Forgive my naivety. The last Mac I owned was a 68030 Motorola clone
that ran System 7, LinuxPPC and BeOS. i.e. It’s been a while.
Thanks for the advice to everyone who originally responded to this. I
went ahead and ordered a Mac Mini (Intel Core Duo 1.6 GHz, 2 GB RAM,
100 GB 5400 rpm SATA). So far so good. I still need to pick out a
decent LCD monitor, but it’s great that the keyboard and mouse from my
PC just worked when I plugged them in.
It’s dead silent. The fan kicked in for about 5 seconds when I
upgraded the firmware, and it sounded like a vacuum cleaner. But
otherwise I can’t even tell that it’s on.
OS X seems pretty cool so far. I’m reading “Mac OS X Tiger for Unix
Geeks” which is a nice guide. There are a couple of things that I
haven’t been able to figure out though. These are just minor
annoyances, but perhaps someone has an answer.
- How can I set the default view for the Finder? It remembers that I
want a list view for a specific folder, but I can’t find any default
setting.
- Is it possible to resize a window without having to use the
bottom-right corner? I’m so used to being able to resize from any
edge. Is there a key combination that will enable this?
I downloaded the 30 day trial for TextMate. After going through the
manual and the tutorial I bought a license for it. This could be the
first text editor in 10+ years that gets me away from vi.
Thanks again.
– James
- How can I set the default view for the Finder? It remembers that I
want a list view for a specific folder, but I can’t find any default
setting.
In Finder, hit command-, to open prefs, and there’s a drop down labeled,
“New Finder Windows Open:”, and you can select a location there.
- Is it possible to resize a window without having to use the
bottom-right corner? I’m so used to being able to resize from any
edge. Is there a key combination that will enable this?
Nope… that’s the only way to re-size windows, minus the buttons on the
top left (minimize and toggle).
I downloaded the 30 day trial for TextMate. After going through the
manual and the tutorial I bought a license for it. This could be the
first text editor in 10+ years that gets me away from vi.
That’s exactly how I felt, and the more you learn about it, the more you
will love it. It “feels” like a simple text-editor, but there tons of
useful features, without the bloat.
-stirman
On 6/9/06, James L. [email protected] wrote:
- Is it possible to resize a window without having to use the
bottom-right corner? I’m so used to being able to resize from any
edge. Is there a key combination that will enable this?
Nobb. But you get used to this and won’t find it any worse after a
while. Same time you will stop using applications full screen.
Check out
http://www.samspublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=132546&seqNum=5&rl=1
It’s got a few nice tips.
I downloaded the 30 day trial for TextMate. After going through the
manual and the tutorial I bought a license for it. This could be the
first text editor in 10+ years that gets me away from vi.
Don’t forget to subscribe to the screencast at
http://macromates.com/blog/archives/2005/12/16/screencast/
Also some other videos linked there. It’s pretty wild what TextMate can
do.
Thanks again.
– James
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On 6/9/06, Jon Gretar B. [email protected] wrote:
On 6/9/06, James L. [email protected] wrote:
- Is it possible to resize a window without having to use the
bottom-right corner? I’m so used to being able to resize from any
edge. Is there a key combination that will enable this?
Nobb. But you get used to this and won’t find it any worse after a
while. Same time you will stop using applications full screen. 
Check out http://www.samspublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=132546&seqNum=5&rl=1
It’s got a few nice tips.
I hate using applications full-screen, so that’s not really an issue.
The problem is that resizing a window on the right side of the screen
takes more effort than one on the left side. I have to resize the
window and then drag it back to the right (or bottom). In other
window managers I simply have to grab the left edge of the window and
drag it to the right.
For windows in the top-left corner of the screen, resizing from the
bottom-right corner makes perfect sense. For windows in the
bottom-right corner of the screen, resizing takes twice as long as it
should (and even then you’re only able to guess at the size you really
want since you have to move the window to get it back into the
corner).
Again, this is not a crisis. It’s just an annoyance. If this is the
worst thing that I can say against OS X after the first week, I’d say
that I’ve got a winner on my hands.
– James
On 6/9/06, James L. [email protected] wrote:
I hate using applications full-screen, so that’s not really an issue.
The problem is that resizing a window on the right side of the screen
takes more effort than one on the left side. I have to resize the
window and then drag it back to the right (or bottom). In other
window managers I simply have to grab the left edge of the window and
drag it to the right.
I know. But I promise that this will stop bugging you. I usually only
resize windows for the first time I start an application. Most apps
should hold that size afterwards.
For windows in the top-left corner of the screen, resizing from the
bottom-right corner makes perfect sense. For windows in the
bottom-right corner of the screen, resizing takes twice as long as it
should (and even then you’re only able to guess at the size you really
want since you have to move the window to get it back into the
corner).
Linux actually has a great way of doing this. Every window is split in
a 3x3 grid. When you hald down ALT+CTRL those grids become resize
hotspots. So you don’t have to move the cursor to the edge but instead
just into the general location of the window.
Again, this is not a crisis. It’s just an annoyance. If this is the
worst thing that I can say against OS X after the first week, I’d say
that I’ve got a winner on my hands.
I think this covers how most feel
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3951/osxsatisfactionchart1qk.jpg
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