On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 06:52:32 -0000, joshnolan wrote:
If you can wait, the MAC dude at the store said, next spring the
laptops are dropping in price and coming out with some new models…
Sure, and I hear the same thing’s gonna happen the spring after that,
too…
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Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit.
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If you can wait, the MAC dude at the store said, next spring the
laptops are dropping in price and coming out with some new models…
but thats only if you can wait…
On Oct 1, 11:08 pm, Jarrod M. [email protected]
Hi –
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Jarrod M. wrote:
I’m looking into getting a Mac laptop. I’m trying to decide which is
best. It would be cool to have one that’s small and light and has
good
battery life, so therefore I’m looking at the smallest ones – the
MacBooks. On the other hand, I need more than just a tiny screen for
day
to day work, so I would hook it up to a 24" monitor most of the
time.
The 13-inch black MacBook has been a miserable experience. It’s about
six months old and is already on its third hard drive, two of them
having died. Apple has been stingy and self-serving about repairs.
(Long, boring story, but they have.)
I am now reluctant to trust the machine at all in connection with
professional work and engagements.
I don’t want to get into a whole thing about how this never happens,
must be my fault because Apple is perfect, etc… Just take it as
one among probably many pieces of information.
David
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On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:47:27 +0930, Anthony R. wrote:
You mean when your Windows applications share the native OS desktop and
can be used amongst your other apps? Virtual Box does that under Ubuntu
no problems, not sure if the OSX version supports that feature or not.
Really handy to be able to run CSS editor on left side of screen and
have IE6/7 open on the other half and tab between them. Although have a
start menu available is slightly unnerving.
And it can do that seamlessly with multiple applications? e.g. if I
have
IE6 and Firefox open in the same guest VM, and Firefox open in the host,
I
have three total windows on my host desktop, and can alt-tab between
them,
cut and paste, drag and drop, use the mouse without extra “clicking”,
etc?
I know Parallels only just got that completely working for the latest
3.0
release - before, it worked but not in Expose’ (the Beryl-like OSX thing
that makes all your windows miniature copies of themselves).
They finally got it so the start bar only shows up when a PC window is
topmost.
Hey if you have the ram enjoy it. I was just concerned about the memory
consumption you were reporting, seems unusually high.
Yeah, bears looking into at some point.
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Jay L. |
Boston, MA | My character doesn’t like it when they
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit.
http://www.jay.fm | - Kristoffer
well he said the price drop and improvements will be more in line like
buying a laptop from dell… so we should get more bang for our buck
on the laptop side of things from Apple…
Vmware fusion does just that, and quite well. I have been very happy
with it, and for $59 it’s hard to beat. I looked at virtual box, but too
many things were still beta, like usb support. Ymmv, but I’ve been
really happy so far.
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Anthony R. wrote:
Jay L. wrote:
uses a lot less memory than Eclipse. But I’m developing on last year’s 2GB
MacBook Pro, and once I start running Parallels to test something in IE6,
forget it - I’m forever in VM swap hell.
My winxp parallels vm runs fine on 256mb ram. That leaves my macbook
pro with 1792mb for the OS. Seems plenty for even a fat bloated
java app like Eclipse.
Amen. A lot depends on what your toolset looks like, of course - TextMate
Wow. I would have thought 2GB would be fine to run a Vm as well as base
OS. I have never used OSX but does it use up that much ram? Can you
tweak how it uses swap?
No, but after a year and half I’ve never once seen mine start swapping.
–
Greg D.
Cyberfusion Consulting
http://cyberfusionconsulting.com/
William P. wrote:
Vmware fusion does just that, and quite well. I have been very happy
with it, and for $59 it’s hard to beat. I looked at virtual box, but
too many things were still beta, like usb support. Ymmv, but I’ve been
really happy so far.
I have found Virtual Box to be fantastic. I have used (and still do)
VMWare for 8 years and the two are very similar. I find VmWare to have
easier to configure networking (if you want anything other than NAT) but
VirtualBox USB support has exceeded my experiences wih VMWares USB
support. Virtual Box does not feel beta at all, I run the release
version of 5.0.
Cheers,
Anthony R.
Thats good to hear, I was just going off of what they have documented on
their site. I also like the ability to run DirectX games with my geforce
card on the mac. Vmware Fusion extends directX support to the mac. 
I currently have a MacBook and use it with a 24" dell monitor. I have
to say… it works really well. The only time I have seen it slow down
was when I am playing a full screen divx movie on the 24" screen. Also
obviously you couldn’t game on it or anything… .but as for working on
it… it is perfect and smooth.
-Ray
On Oct 1, 5:26 pm, Jarrod M. [email protected]
On 2 Oct 2007, at 15:49, joshnolan wrote:
buying a laptop from dell… so we should get more bang for our buck
on the laptop side of things from Apple…
I’d be very surprised if an apple store employee was privy to that
sort of information. Most reports (and conversations I’ve had with
staff there) suggest that store employees usually only get a few more
hours’ notice of such things than customers.
Chances are prices will fall and there will be big upgrades. This is
the technology industry after all. But I’d be very cautious about
relying on reports about specs/pricing from anyone below the top few
tiers at apple.
James.
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Anthony R. wrote:
Jay L. wrote:
I haven’t found these limitations a problem as I only run IE in my VM’s.
However, from others repsonses it doesn’t sound like Parallels is the
cause of the huge memory consumption. I only suggested VirtualBox as an
alternative to try incase parallels was the problem. Others seem to have
no issues like you were experiencing.
i’m using a first gen MacBook Pro (2G ram). i used parallels for about 1
1/2 years, and hated it. it was slow, windows would lock up itself and
os x. i tried to install vista and it was a nightmare. now i use
VMware Fusion and i couldn’t be happier. i can run multiple virtual
machines simultaneously (not possible in parallels) with out a problem.
same thing as far as the tabbing goes, the VM shows as one single
window, making it easy to switch between things. also, with the glossy
vs. matte debate… the glossy is amazing. the picture is sooooo
clear and the colors are sooooo awesome. i think the only bad thing
about it is that it spoils you when you get back on a screen w/o
it, it just seems dull. plus with the mac book pro, you can hook up a
30" screen if you want to. don’t usually need more space than that.
p.s. i would buy a new iMac is a flash.
Jon
Jay L. wrote:
And it can do that seamlessly with multiple applications? e.g. if I have
IE6 and Firefox open in the same guest VM, and Firefox open in the host, I
have three total windows on my host desktop, and can alt-tab between them,
cut and paste, drag and drop, use the mouse without extra “clicking”, etc?
Cut and Paste doesn’t work between VM and Host.
Tabbing doesn’t cycle between all windows in and out. The VM appears as
one window in the tab cycle.
There is no need for extra clicking.
I haven’t found these limitations a problem as I only run IE in my VM’s.
However, from others repsonses it doesn’t sound like Parallels is the
cause of the huge memory consumption. I only suggested VirtualBox as an
alternative to try incase parallels was the problem. Others seem to have
no issues like you were experiencing.
Cheers,
Anthony R.
On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:11 AM, James S. wrote:
I’d be very surprised if an apple store employee was privy to that
sort of information. Most reports (and conversations I’ve had with
staff there) suggest that store employees usually only get a few
more hours’ notice of such things than customers.
Most Apple development employees usually only get a few more hours’
notice of such things than customers.
Apple is one of the most secretive companies in the industry. Some
of the people working on projects like the iPhone and the Intel port
of OSX only found out they’d be working on the project after the
public announcement was made.
Basing buying decisions on what somebody tells you Apple “will” do is
a recipe for grief.
In a more general sense, Apple’s computer business is in the computer
business, and thus will be releasing updated computers on a semi-
regular basis. These will more than likely be faster, and (in the
foreseeable future) track to Intel’s processor roadmap for the
relevant product lines.
If you’d like to reduce (but not eliminate) your chance of buying new
Apple hardware just before Apple obsoletes it, read this and take
your chances:
-faisal
vs. matte debate… the glossy is amazing. the picture is sooooo
clear and the colors are sooooo awesome. i think the only bad thing
about it is that it spoils you
it, it just seems dull. plus with the mac book pro, you can hook up a
Glossy vs. matte: I have a ubuntu/win laptop glossy and a powerbook
matte, what i can say is when it’s good it’s really good, when it’s
bad … The worst case is if you buy the wrong display, you can re-
sell the MBP for maybe $100 less than you paid ( I think apple stores
still have 10% restocking fee).
I’m ready to make the switch but the only reason that I’ve been
waiting is that sites like http://mactactic.com/ are estimating that
we are ~6 weeks away from the new Mac Books. I’ve also been checking
out the other Apple rumor sites and the vibe I get is that the new
models will be announced with Leopard.
Since I’m new to the Apple scene how reliable are these sites? I know
these are rumor sites and all repost need to be takes with a grain
of salt.
I can hold out for 6 weeks but if it’s the spring then I’m off to get
one today.
I wouldn’t say they are reliable at all. I have read these rumors many
times, and they usually base their times off of apples typical release
cycle, In other words, “New Mac Books are due out soon because they
typically release them ever 18 months”, etc. They could be close, or in
the case of the new iMacs, they were off by almost 6 months. It’s pure
speculation. I can tell you this, my MBP 2.2 dual core w/ 2 G ram is
blazing fast and rivals many desktops as far as speed is concerned. I
don’t see you regretting your decision to buy one today. Thats my $.02
and it’s not my fault if they release new ones tomorrow 
Hardbap wrote:
I can hold out for 6 weeks but if it’s the spring then I’m off to get
wrote:
couldn’t use it outdoors, because sunlight would illuminate the non-
–
Sincerely,
William P.
On 10/4/07, Hardbap [email protected] wrote:
I can hold out for 6 weeks but if it’s the spring then I’m off to get
one today.
Well here’s another opinion at
I for one just bought a MacBook about three weeks ago.
One reason to hold off just a little bit might be to get Leopard
instead of Tiger, but that’s a personal decision. Leopard is supposed
to be out this month. My bet is Halloween day.
–
Rick DeNatale
My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
Another thing to mention, the student discount of $300 is over now, but
you still get a free $100 printer through October 22nd. I got one with
mine and it’s pretty nice. HP all in one. It’s a mail in rebate, but
still virtually free. They processed my rebate in under 2 weeks.
http://www.apple.com/promo/perfectcompanion/
Hardbap wrote:
I can hold out for 6 weeks but if it’s the spring then I’m off to get
wrote:
couldn’t use it outdoors, because sunlight would illuminate the non-
–
Sincerely,
William P.
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