# M-I,5-Persecutio n - Fo ur Yea rs of M I5 Pers ecution Pos ts on Int ernet Newsgroups **URL:** \ **Category:** Ruby\ **Created:** [December 26, 2007, 10:05am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/m-i-5-persecutio-n-fo-ur-yea-rs-of-m-i5-pers-ecution-pos-ts-on-int-ernet-newsgroups/124196 "2007-12-26T10:05:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Page:** 1
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Four. Years of “MI5 Persecution” Posts on Internet Newsgroups For approximately the first three. years of the MI5 persecution, from June 1990 until late 1992, I kept as quiet as. possible, in the hope that by not reacting, MI5s interest in me would decrease and. they would simply go away of. their own accord. This is the sort of behaviour some people employ against bullies; if the bullies arent getting. a reaction, then they might simply go away and victimize. someone else. Unfortunately, this tactic didnt work. The quieter I became, the. more shrill and hysterical the noise from the Security Service. operatives. For about. two years I didnt watch TV news at all. Yet this only heightened their obsessed fixation; they continued to follow me. wherever I went, they continued to. induce harassment at work by managers and fellow workers, and they continued to encourage me. to commit suicide. They seemed to regard my refusal to react as a crime which they would have to “put right” by. ever more extreme forms. of abuse. Finally, in 1995, I changed tactics radically. Since. late 1994 I had had accounts. with internet providers in Ontario, Canada. I discovered the cornucopia of. internet newsgroups, on every topic from consumer electronics, to politics and legal topics, and I. discovered online services such as Compuserve and. AOL. In May 1995, I made the first posting to. the conspiracy newsgroup, on the subject of “BBCs Hidden Shame”. BBC’s Hidden. Shame The internet newsgroup discussion, which. has now reached its fourth anniversary, started with an article in. alt.conspiracy, which I reproduce here. Date: Thu May. 4 18:27:24 1995 Newsgroups:. alt.conspiracy Subject:. BBC’s Hidden Shame Remember the two-way televisions in George Orwell’s 1984? The ones which watched. you back? Which you. could never get rid of, only the sound could be turned down? Well the country which brought Orwell into the. world has made his nightmare follow into the world after him. Since 1990 the British have. been waging war against one of their own citizens using surveillance to invade privacy and a campaign of abuse. in the transmitted. media in their efforts to humiliate their “victim”. And the most remarkable thing. about it is that what they do is not even illegal - the UK. has no laws to protect the privacy of its citizens, nor does it proscribe harassment or abuse except in the case of racial. abuse. A lot of people in England know this to be going on, yet so far. they have maintained perfect “omerta”; not. a sound, not a squeak has escaped into the English press, and for all the covert harassment absolutely nothing has come out into the. public domain. Have the British gone mad? I think we. should be told At this point, I did not name MI5 as my persecutors. I was. still unsure that they. were the ones responsible for the “psychological terrorism”. In followup posts however I did name them; and. the persecutors have never denied the claim; so I think my guess is valid. (The Security. Service Tribunal. in 1997 have said “no determination in your favour was made”, but it is. a well established fact that MI5 lies routinely to the Tribunal which has never found in favour. of a plaintiff, so no conclusions can be drawn from. this.) This. first post was made to alt.conspiracy, but further posts were made to the UK-local. newsgroups, in particular uk.misc but also uk.legal and uk.politics (which is now called uk.politics.misc). Some time ago. I tried to take the battle to the. Compuserve forums, UKPOLITICS (which is now called UKCURRENT - current affairs), but my articles were censored. by the forum operators. Such censorship is impossible on the. internet newsgroups. Police Refuse. to Act I have complained several times to the Metropolitan Police,. who have each time refused to. help. From: Green. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) Newsgroups:. uk.misc,uk.politics,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.british Subject: Re: MI5 Persecution: Why Aren’t the British Police Doing. Their Job? Reply-To:. removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid Date: Sun. Apr 7 21:13:30 1996 In. article [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid “Mike Corley”. writes: > Last Easter (1995) I went. into the local police station in London and spoke to > an officer about the harassment. against me. But I couldn’t provide tangible > evidence; what people. said, in many cases years ago, is beyond proof, and > without something to support my statements I cannot expect a police officer. to > take. the complaint seriously. This in itself dos not suggest. that the police have it in for you. The old bill operates on extremely tight spending limits forced. on them by that pillock Michael Howard, and without evidence, they often have higher priorities. than chasing something that. cannot go to court. I doubt that the police are actually being leant on, but they probably realise. that if they looked into this, they would be leant on hard. The met always stays. away from anything that looks like. it has Defence, Security or secret service interest already, because. they realise that they are below these government agencies in the general pecking. order. If I walked. into my local nick and complained that MI5 were snooping on me, they would show me the door without even looking at. my evidence, because that bored desk seargant with only five years to go before he retires doesn’t want to. start fucking about with somebody who has incurred the wrath of Stella Rimington. He would rather. deal with the lost dogs and driving licence producers, eat his. cheese and pickle sandwiches and piss off home at the end of his shift than have some high ranking spook. having a go at his boss and getting. him a bollocking. In short, you have earned much sympathy but. little surprise. Just remember that saying about. the enemy of your enemies. Most recently, I wrote. in March 1999 to Charing Cross Police Station CID. They did not acknowledge. or reply to my letter. When I phoned them up, the detective Id written. to treated me to a sadly not unusual display of police bigotry, with an uneducated rant. about “your paranoid rubbish”. It would be nice to think that such. uneducated bigotry is something other than wholly typical of police. behaviour, but unfortunately that is an illusion that. is rapidly dispelled. Uncorruptible Jon Snow. of Channel Four News From previous articles the reader will know what. I think Jon Snow has recently been watching. me while he reads Channel Four News in the evening. Recently I digitized a few moments of one. such broadcast, where his face twists. into a smile, without there being anything in the news broadcast to cause merriment. Here is a. usenet post from some time ago on MI5s. “bought and paid for” tools in the so-called “free” press. Peter. Harding (removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid) wrote: : I was. at speakers’ corner on Sunday. There was one chap who was bellowing : about something or other, I don’t know what, but. one thing he said to :. someone caught my ear: : “BBC,. MI5, same thing.” Can’t disagree with. that sentiment. Wasn’t it documented that MI5. sometimes “bought” journalists and broadcasters? I remember. reading a report by some jouralist who had been offered an extra tax-free income by MI5 to become their covert mouthpiece,. and had refused. … > . : \>mouthpiece, and had refused. > . : > . : It was Jon Snow of Channel 4. > > Was. it reported in any of the papers? It has been reported several times. The. most recent was in Private Eye, a few months back… As I recall they also wanted information from him; journalists would be a. natural choice for members of the Security Service and the Secret Intelligence. Service for information sources. > It might be interesting to see what he had to say regarding. their > attempt to recruit. him. He was most concerned that many others would have accepted. such an offer. However, we can probably make an educated guess as. to some of those. who accepted: Nigel West (Rupert Allason, MP) and Chapman Pincher would come near to the top of the. list. – /. David Boothroyd. Socialist and election analyst. Omne ignotum pro magnifico. British Elections. and Politics at [http://www.qmw.ac.uk/~laws/election/home.html](http://www.qmw.ac.uk/~laws/election/home.html) I wish I was in North Dakota. Next General Election must. be before 22nd May '97 The House of Commons now : C 324, Lab 272, L Dem 25, UU 9, PC. 4, SDLP 4, SNP 4, UDUP 3, Ind 1, Ind UU 1, Spkrs 4. Government. majority = 1. Telephone Tate 6125. Corrupt. Security Service agents steal millions from taxpayers Money is of course a factor in the grand equation which is. the MI5 persecution. It. costs money for the Security Service to “buy” people in the media etc. But that is only a small part. of their expenditure of taxpayers resources. Most of the expenditure is directly. on the salaries if the agents involved; and in this. post I put forward the theory that MI5 are trying to draw out their involvement for. as long as possible, very cynically, to maximise their income and. line their own pockets. At each stage. they have tried to pretend that I am something out of the ordinary. Either I was very stupid. (“he’s an idiot”) or very clever (“he’s like a genius”). Either I was a threat to Western civilization (Levin once referred to me. as the next Hitler) or I was completely. defenceless (“a soft toy”). Now, it should be obvious to any person with common-sense that I am not. out of the ordinary in any way. I. have an IQ which is average for the Web, I am racially white European, and there. are plenty of other people with schizophrenia or epilepsy out there who haven’t been targeted for MI5 attention, so why. me? I think the answer is that the MI5 agents who harass. me have cynically exploited the situation by painting. me as extraordinary in order to assure themselves of well-paid employment funded by the ordinary British taxpayer. To put it bluntly, they. are stealing millions. of pounds from the taxpayer to feed their own pockets. This assertion is supported. by the observation that it’s the same agents who are doing the harassment. Six months ago in a local hospital I was. harassed by someone whose face I had seen (he had stared straight at me aggressively, at the. time I just thought it was some nutter but it turns out he was one of “them”) aboard a KLM. flight a couple of years ago… It’s presumably been the same people most of the time. I’ve seen the way contractors act when they don’t want their positions. terminated. Would these agents really want to lose their well-paid employment harassing me?. Presumably they are promising their bosses a “breakthrough”. (ie my demise) real-soon-now and have been for the last seven years, while all the while these MI5. agents skim millions off. the taxpayer. I wouldn’t mind a job like that. Perhaps. if I persecute myself a little bit, like standing in front of a mirror and. shouting mindless obscenities, do you reckon I’d get a slice of the caky Service Tribunal. This year Nick Brooks,. current Tribunal Secretary, confirmed to me that he could not think of. a single case where. the Tribunal had found in favour of a complainant. Here is my usenet post from. two years ago. Subject: MI5:. “It wasn’t us” Newsgroups:. uk.misc,uk.legal Organization: Toronto. Free-Net “The Security Service. Tribunal have now investigated your complaint and have asked me to inform you that. no determination in your favour has been made on your. complaint.” Signed ER Wilson, Tribunal. Secretary Well that’s a relief then. All that. spamming for nothing eh. Gaw blimey, if they say they’re not doing it then it can’t be. them, can it? In a recent. letter to Mr Brooks I expressed the opinion that the Tribunal were unable to fulfil their responsibilities in the. face of MI5 falsehoods. Nevertheless, I do intend to make. another complaint to the Tribunal in the near. future, despite the Tribunal appearing to be a toothless. watchdog. Discrimination against a Unit. Minority MI5. have been very clear in their instructions as to what I should do. They have openly shouted at me. the word “suicide”, and also from the other abuse it is clear that they. want my existence terminated. This point is covered in more detail in. a previous article. The following post describes the xenophobic nature. of MI5s campaign against me. They have refined their bigotry. down to a unit minority, yet they make use of the. discrimination against the mentally ill which is a feature of current British. society. Subject:. Re: MI5 says “Kill Yourself” Newsgroups:. uk.misc,uk.legal,uk.politics.misc,uk.media References:. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) [53eeev$removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:53eeev$removed_email_address@domain.invalid) Organization: Toronto. Free-Net Distribution: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid (Iain. L M Hotchkies) wrote: > Indeed. If. you’ve ever had a ‘conversation’ with someone suffering > from florid schizophrenia, you’ll know how difficult. it can be to > ‘argue’ with. them. I don’t have florid symptoms. But I’m in a. difficult situation, because those people who don’t know, aren’t going to believe, and those who do,. they just go along with the crowd. It’s never a good idea to go against the grain,. and the grain here is defined. by interests in the establishment and the media. Even people. who could say out loud what was happening won’t, because then there’s a risk that. they’ll be seen as traitors and ostracised. Usually this type of ‘hidden abuse’ is racial and targetted at. a racial minority within a. country. You keep the minorities out of the good jobs, but you don’t admit discrimination exists. It happens everywhere, not. just in Britain. The persecution that is going. on now is in reality a refined form of racism. Instead of “nigger” it’s “nutter”, and. abusing the mentally ill is still socially acceptable today. In 50 years it might not be, but today. there isn’t any. social or legal sanction against it. So really. they’ve refined racial harassment down to a minority of one. The words may be different, but the methods are the. same. 3407