# Looking for Rails developer to join a startup and become co- **URL:** \ **Category:** Rails\ **Created:** [September 10, 2007, 6:56pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-rails-developer-to-join-a-startup-and-become-co/114266 "2007-09-10T18:56:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![YLYLYL](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/839c29/32.png) [@YLYLYL](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/YLYLYL)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 6:56pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-rails-developer-to-join-a-startup-and-become-co/114266/1 "2007-09-10T18:56:09Z")
Looking for Rails developer to join a startup and become co-founder. It has to be someone who’s passionate about software, knows the stuff, doer, and can work alone. Phase one will take about 200-250 hours to develop. Flexible hours, part time, from home. Compensation will be high percentage equity, or contract fee, or combination of the two. If interested, tell me about yourself, some work that you did, and why you’re interested. The project has a business model and it revolutionizes an existing one. It’s powered by the community, but not for the purpose of plain personal networking. You’d use it only if you need to do a transaction – and it’s the type of transaction that most people do. ---
**Author:** ![YLYLYL](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/839c29/32.png) [@YLYLYL](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/YLYLYL)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 7:06pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-rails-developer-to-join-a-startup-and-become-co/114266/2 "2007-09-10T19:06:11Z")
Some advice on a startup jag… YL wrote: > Looking for Rails developer to join a startup and become co-founder. > It has to be someone who’s passionate about software, knows the stuff, > doer, and can work alone. Phase one will take about 200-250 hours to > develop. Even when executives are just trying to help, they almost always cause friction when they estimate hours. Speak in terms of the estimated number of pages and the number of gadgets on each page. Next, some developers only deal locally. This is my preference - and maybe I’m the only one! But still, report where you are located. Distance is another source of friction. – Phlip [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510657/](http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510657/) “Test Driven Ajax (on Rails)” assert\_xpath, assert\_javascript, & assert\_ajax ---
**Author:** ![YLYLYL](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/839c29/32.png) [@YLYLYL](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/YLYLYL)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 7:22pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-rails-developer-to-join-a-startup-and-become-co/114266/3 "2007-09-10T19:22:14Z")
Thanks, I take your comments. I would estimate 4-6 pages and 2-6 widgets per page. As we all know, it’s rather difficult to estimate software and I would like to box it in about 200-250 hours for the first phase. I am based in New York City, but I am open for development overseas. YL ---
**Author:** ![YLYLYL](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/839c29/32.png) [@YLYLYL](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/YLYLYL)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-rails-developer-to-join-a-startup-and-become-co/114266/4 "2007-09-10T19:56:18Z")
On Sep 10, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Phlip wrote: > Even when executives are just trying to help, they almost always cause > friction when they estimate hours. Speak in terms of the estimated > number of > pages and the number of gadgets on each page. Just wanted to follow up on this… I’d argue that focusing on # of pages and gadgets isn’t a good way to work either. We’re building solutions and it shouldn’t be measured by the # of gadgets that show up on a screen. Even then… one “gadget” (not a word I’d ever use on the web…) could take more time than the rest of the application, so I’d not recommend focusing too much on counting components/features/gadgets. My two cents, Robby – Robby R. Founder and Executive Director PLANET ARGON, LLC Design, Development, and Hosting with Ruby on Rails > **[Planet Argon](https://www.planetargon.com/)** > > Planet Argon is a Ruby on Rails development agency specializing in maintenance and support for existing Rails apps. Based in Portland, OR, Planet Argon has been a member of the Rails community since 2004. [http://www.robbyonrails.com/](http://www.robbyonrails.com/) +1 503 445 2457 +1 877 55 ARGON [toll free] +1 815 642 4068 [fax] ---
**Author:** ![YLYLYL](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/839c29/32.png) [@YLYLYL](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/YLYLYL)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 8:06pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-rails-developer-to-join-a-startup-and-become-co/114266/5 "2007-09-10T20:06:20Z")
Robby R. wrote: > I’d argue that focusing on # of pages and gadgets isn’t a good way to > work either. I’m not talking about estimates while developing; I’m talking about up-front estimates. Estimates while developing are a walking average. > We’re building solutions and it shouldn’t be measured by > the # of gadgets that show up on a screen. Even then… one > “gadget” (not a word I’d ever use on the web…) could take more time > than the rest of the application, so I’d not recommend focusing too > much on counting components/features/gadgets. You haven’t had a Parisian boss e-mail you a list of \>15 complex bugs that someone else wrote, and say “now get these all done in two days”. – Phlip ---
**Author:** ![YLYLYL](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/839c29/32.png) [@YLYLYL](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/YLYLYL)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 8:44pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-rails-developer-to-join-a-startup-and-become-co/114266/6 "2007-09-10T20:44:24Z")
Quick comment re fixings complex bugs that someone else wrote – that’s not gonna happen here. You’ll be writing the first line of code!! I think it’s a cool fact worthwhile mentioning…