# Looking for Information on POST vs. GET **URL:** \ **Category:** Rails\ **Created:** [August 29, 2006, 9:30pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-information-on-post-vs-get/66858 "2006-08-29T21:30:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sw0rdfish)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 9:30pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-information-on-post-vs-get/66858/1 "2006-08-29T21:30:26Z")
I’m sorta new to this stuff, so I was wondering if anyone was familliar with a write up of POST vs. GET and how to use it with Rails? I haven’t had much exprience with it, so if it’s as simple as addng a line of code or something, please forgive my stupidity. Thanks in advance ## [EDIT:]I fouled up. Sorry if you get this twice. View this message in context: [http://www.nabble.com/Looking-for-Information-on-POST-vs.-GET-tf2185561.html#a6045659](http://www.nabble.com/Looking-for-Information-on-POST-vs.-GET-tf2185561.html#a6045659) Sent from the RubyOnRails Users forum at [Nabble.com](http://Nabble.com). ---
**Author:** ![sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sw0rdfish)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 9:38pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-information-on-post-vs-get/66858/2 "2006-08-29T21:38:27Z")
POST and GET are HTTP request methods. Functionally, from your POV as a developer, they are mostly equivalent; in fact the way in Rails the parameters end up in the same params hash, within the body of any action it may not even matter whether it was invoked by GET or POST. Further information: 1. Basic definition of GET and POST. Not sure how interested you’ll be, most of the HTTP protocol is transparent for you as a Rails developer. 2. The way GET and POST (and PUT, and DELETE) are to be used in Rails: see DHH RailsConf keynote[2]. This one is much more relevant. – [1] [Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1](http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616.html) [2] ---
**Author:** ![sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sw0rdfish)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 9:50pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-information-on-post-vs-get/66858/3 "2006-08-29T21:50:31Z")
Thanks… My main concern is users using the URL to delete data and whatnot, I want to “defend” against that… and it just kinda hit me that by typing in a URL I could delete a user, and I went “oh oh”… I’m assuming it’s a pretty common problem that isnt’ even a “problem” anymore, I just haven’t thought of it till now. I’ll watch the keynote. ---
**Author:** ![sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sw0rdfish)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 9:58pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-information-on-post-vs-get/66858/4 "2006-08-29T21:58:32Z")
Alder G. wrote: > most of the HTTP protocol is transparent for you as a Rails developer. > > 1. The way GET and POST (and PUT, and DELETE) are to be used in Rails: > see DHH RailsConf keynote[2]. This one is much more relevant. > > [2] [http://blog.scribestudio.com/pages/rails/](http://blog.scribestudio.com/pages/rails/) For archival purposes, I wanted to include the link to the keynote, you left it out, I googled it… I mean I searched for it on Google ( sorry Google 😛 ) link to keynote videos of RalsConf: [http://blog.scribestudio.com/pages/rails/](http://blog.scribestudio.com/pages/rails/) ---
**Author:** ![sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sw0rdfish)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 4:53am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-information-on-post-vs-get/66858/5 "2006-08-30T04:53:18Z")
sw0rdfish wrote: > Thanks… My main concern is users using the URL to delete data and > whatnot, I want to “defend” against that… and it just kinda hit me > that by typing in a URL I could delete a user, and I went “oh oh”… > I’m assuming it’s a pretty common problem that isnt’ even a “problem” > anymore, I just haven’t thought of it till now. I’ll watch the keynote. You could use this to check if it was a post request that called your delete function: if request.post? … then delete … end If the user just types in the URL, it will create a GET request so the above condition will fail. Cheers Mohit. ---
**Author:** ![sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sw0rdfish)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 10:12pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-information-on-post-vs-get/66858/6 "2006-08-29T22:12:38Z")
sw0rdfish wrote: > Thanks… My main concern is users using the URL to delete data and > whatnot, I want to “defend” against that… and it just kinda hit me > that by typing in a URL I could delete a user, and I went “oh oh”… > I’m assuming it’s a pretty common problem that isnt’ even a “problem” > anymore, I just haven’t thought of it till now. I’ll watch the keynote. It’s very simple. Having a URI to delete users is very Railish (it fits the CRUD/REST model very well. So you can have a typical URI like: [example.com/users/delete/23](http://example.com/users/delete/23) To delete User instance with ID 23. However, the fact that there is such URI says nothing about the permissions required to actually execute the deletion. It means the client ASKS to delete User #23. Whether it would be DONE is an entirely different issue. You the developer set up the mechanism to handle requests such as /users/delete/23. Commonly through before\_filters, e.g. checking if the requesting client has an admin bit set in the session. That mechnism determines if User #23 will be deleted, or if the client instead would be shown a “permission denied” feedback. ---
**Author:** ![sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sw0rdfish)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 7:06am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-information-on-post-vs-get/66858/7 "2006-08-30T07:06:04Z")
If you use RESTful plugin, you won’t have to bother with post/get/request.post? -Pratik On 8/29/06, Mohit S. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > delete function: > > > – rm -rf / 2\>/dev/null - [http://null.in](http://null.in) Dont judge those who try and fail, judge those who fail to try… ---
**Author:** ![sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sw0rdfish)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2006, 11:24am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-information-on-post-vs-get/66858/8 "2006-09-01T11:24:32Z")
> > Thanks… My main concern is users using the URL to delete data and > > whatnot, I want to “defend” against that… and it just kinda hit me > > that by typing in a URL I could delete a user, and I went “oh oh”… > permissions required to actually execute the deletion. It means the > client ASKS to delete User #23. Whether it would be DONE is an entirely > different issue. There is a further problem with allowing GET requests to invoke actions such as delete: such links may be followed web spiders, or client-side preloading cache utilities. POST requests will not be invoked by such automatic tools. The general rule is not to use GETs for anything that would cause a change of state on the server. Merely checking whether a client has permission to delete a User will not prevent problems with client-side tools that pre-load links that they find on a page. ---
**Author:** ![sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@sw0rdfish](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/sw0rdfish)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2006, 3:20am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/looking-for-information-on-post-vs-get/66858/9 "2006-09-06T03:20:57Z")
A good explanation about this could be founded on Agile Web Development with Rails, pg. 335 in a section (16.9) called “The problem with get requests”… On 9/1/06, Michael McGreevy [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > [example.com/users/delete/23](http://example.com/users/delete/23) > > as delete: such links may be followed web spiders, or client-side preloading > > cache utilities. POST requests will not be invoked by such automatic tools. > > The general rule is not to use GETs for anything that would cause a change of > > state on the server. Merely checking whether a client has permission to > > delete a User will not prevent problems with client-side tools that pre-load > > links that they find on a page. > > > – Everton J. Carpes Mobile: +55 53 9129.4593 MSN: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid UIN: 343716195 Jabber: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid Gestum [http://www.gestum.com.br/](http://www.gestum.com.br/) O.S. Systems [http://www.ossystems.com.br](http://www.ossystems.com.br) [http://projects.ossystems.com.br](http://projects.ossystems.com.br)