# Learning ruby and rails **URL:** \ **Category:** Ruby\ **Created:** [December 9, 2008, 4:12am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/learning-ruby-and-rails/155186 "2008-12-09T04:12:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![daveh0](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/34f0e0/32.png) [@daveh0](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/daveh0)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 4:12am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/learning-ruby-and-rails/155186/1 "2008-12-09T04:12:07Z")
i am new to all of this, so i was wondering which one i should learn first, ruby or rails, or both at the same time? ``` Thanks. Dave. ``` ---
**Author:** ![daveh0](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/34f0e0/32.png) [@daveh0](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/daveh0)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 5:04am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/learning-ruby-and-rails/155186/2 "2008-12-09T05:04:39Z")
I guess Ruby first. Once you know how the language works, you can start learning a framework… ---
**Author:** ![daveh0](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/34f0e0/32.png) [@daveh0](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/daveh0)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 11:16am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/learning-ruby-and-rails/155186/3 "2008-12-09T11:16:04Z")
Pierre P. wrote: > I guess Ruby first. Once you know how the language works, you can start > learning a framework… Actually I started off learning Rails first. With some basic knowledge of object oriented programming Ruby shouldn’t be too hard to pick up. When you’re new to Rails there’s no need to understand its internals or advanced Ruby meta programming features. At some point you’ll want to get into that too though, but there’s absolutely no need to master Ruby first.