# Just to say hello **URL:** \ **Category:** Rails\ **Created:** [February 6, 2006, 3:56pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/just-to-say-hello/101571 "2006-02-06T15:56:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![marek](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@marek](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/marek)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 3:56pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/just-to-say-hello/101571/1 "2006-02-06T15:56:39Z")
## I just subscribed to this list and i just wanted to say hello before starting dumb questions about rails. I just started my programming career with a ruby’n’rails application here in italy and i could use some help, and in time, when i will be more skilled, i will be glad to give some help back 😉 See you! Maurizio Marek removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid ---
**Author:** ![marek](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@marek](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/marek)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 4:36pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/just-to-say-hello/101571/2 "2006-02-06T16:36:29Z")
I would not start my programming carreer with rails myself. If you look at the list, you will find that most questions are questions involving incredibly obscure – to me – projects. I think most of the rail waves are people who have learned how to do web programming for years on other systems. Rails is a framework, meaning it is code organised to help you get going easily. But first you have to learn what you are doing. I suggest you learn programming with html, php, xml… where you just write one page and see what it does. with rails you are learning 1. how to use a framework 2. how to program ruby 3. how to write html, post forms… 4. how to access databases… and so on and so forth. It is all mixed together. I know C and some Ruby, and I have trouble because I don’t know much web programming. I would think you would hurt even more than I do. ---
**Author:** ![marek](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@marek](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/marek)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 4:48pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/just-to-say-hello/101571/3 "2006-02-06T16:48:52Z")
It’s not a choice, it’s work! 😉 Research work, but still work. I learned about web programming and so on in a academic contest anyway, so im not completly ignorant of that, since now im doing good i think… So far the main problem is browser specific behave of haldling requests … as you can read in another thred :-/ 2006/2/6, anne g [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid): > Rails mailing list > removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid > [http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails](http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails) – Maurizio Marek removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid ---
**Author:** ![marek](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@marek](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/marek)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 5:40pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/just-to-say-hello/101571/4 "2006-02-06T17:40:40Z")
On Monday 06 Feb 2006 15:45, Marek wrote: > It’s not a choice, it’s work! 😉 Research work, but still work. > I learned about web programming and so on in a academic contest > anyway, so im not completly ignorant of that, since now im doing good > i think… So far the main problem is browser specific behave of > haldling requests … as you can read in another thred :-/ You’ll be OK… just take it in small steps and follow lots of tutorials, especially in the “Agile Web D. With Ruby On Rails” book: [http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/index.html](http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/index.html) I guess Rails doesn’t have the immediacy of hacking something together in PHP, but in the long run, it will make you a much better web programmer IMHO, rather than leave you with a big pile of nasty hacks and mish-mashed syntax. Also, once you get going, it really does become a LOT quicker to put together a basic site. When I initially started Rails, I could only see myself using it on bigger projects, but now I’ve used it on small projects too, and it’s still perfectly suited to that. PHP is OK, but it really gives you too much rope to hang yourself on. Rails is very structured, and uses “tough love” to force you to do it “The Rails Way”… with the ultimate result being nice code that’s very easy to manage (once you’ve figured out what goes where). Incidentally, I’m supposed to be teaching someone else how to use Rails (from scratch) in just under two weeks time - we’re going to attempt to rebuild a community website in one day… not quite sure it’s doable (though the layout etc. stays the same), but it should be fun nonetheless! All the best, ~Dave – Dave S. Rent-A-Monkey Website Development > **[Tree Removal Service For Home & Businesses in Salt Lake City, UT](https://www.rentamonkey.com/)** > > Rent A Monkey Tree Service provides the safest, highest-quality tree removal for Salt Lake City, UT homes and businesses. Request a service today! PGP Key: [http://www.rentamonkey.com/pgpkey.asc](http://www.rentamonkey.com/pgpkey.asc) ---
**Author:** ![marek](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@marek](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/marek)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 6:13am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/just-to-say-hello/101571/5 "2006-02-07T06:13:12Z")
On 2/6/06, Marek [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > I just subscribed to this list and i just wanted to say hello before > starting dumb questions about rails. I just started my programming > career with a ruby’n’rails application here in italy and i could use > some help, and in time, when i will be more skilled, i will be glad to > give some help back 😉 See you! I love the confidence;-) vivek ---
**Author:** ![marek](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@marek](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/marek)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 9:41am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/just-to-say-hello/101571/6 "2006-02-07T09:41:50Z")
Hi Marek and welcome to this list! aside from the agile web development with rails book, you may want to have a look at the following titles : [https://pragprog.com/titles/ruby/programming-ruby-2nd-edition/](http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/ruby/index.html) for ruby itself [http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/fr\_ltp/index.html](http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/fr_ltp/index.html) for the programming stuff in general And I’ll provide a bit of feedback: - a friend of mine had tried many times to start programming on various environments (java, c++ etc) but could not make it. With ruby and ruby on rails though, he managed to achieve what he needed and was quite surprised by the ease of code. I’ve come to realize that ruby is quite a good tool for programming education (one negative point is that you will suffer and find yourself moving slowly if you move to java, c# or c++ after that 😉 - I first started groking into ruby on rails only to realize it was probably better to start writing samples of pure ruby code first. This way you don’t mix ruby and ruby on rails, and learn a lot of things (I found it’s a bit faster to just write sample ruby code or play with irb rather than setting up a small ror application). Then when you actually start programming ruby on rails you have a broader view and a more accute sense of what’s happening. hope this helps ## Thibaut [blog] [http://www.dotnetguru2.org/tbarrere](http://www.dotnetguru2.org/tbarrere)