# IronRuby's Marshal.dump doesn't work with CLR types, or ruby types backed by a CLR type

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**Category:** IronRuby\
**Created:** [October 26, 2011, 3:52am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ironrubys-marshal-dump-doesnt-work-with-clr-types-or-ruby-types-backed-by-a-clr-type/213192 "2011-10-26T03:52:56Z")\
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**Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 3:52am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ironrubys-marshal-dump-doesnt-work-with-clr-types-or-ruby-types-backed-by-a-clr-type/213192/1 "2011-10-26T03:52:56Z")

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Backstory: I’m trying to use DRb for some in-house utility code. DRb  
itself seems to work fine, but I found that when I misspelled a method  
name, instead of reporting back a NoMethodError, the IronRuby process  
crashed immediately to the console.

This is using a relatively recent build of IronRuby from Github

Steps to repro:

e = RuntimeError.new ‘xyz’  
dumped = Marshal.dump e  
e2 = Marshal.load dumped

I would expect e2 to be equivalent to e, but instead the process crashes  
with this exception

mscorlib:0:in `_InvokeConstructor': Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. (System::Reflection::TargetInvocationException) from mscorlib:0:in`InvokeConstructor’  
from mscorlib:0:in `Invoke' from (ir):1:in`load’  
from (ir):1

Note: This also happens with any CLR type eg System::DateTime.

I looked through IronRuby’s marshalling code, and it appears that the  
behaviour of Marshal.dump and Marshal.load don’t align properly.

Marshal.dump is it’s own self-contained set of code which essentially  
writes data to a BinaryStream.  
For ruby types, it ends up writing a series of values in a format that  
looks a lot like what I remember CRuby’s marshal writing.  
For CLR types, this just writes the Type name and no instance data (clr  
objects don’t have ruby instance variables after all)

Marshal.load does 2 things:

1. Reads any ruby instance variables out into an Attributes dictionary
2. Uses reflection to find any non-public Constructor(SerializationInfo,  
StreamingContext) and invoke it.

For ruby types, this finds the protected RubyClass(SerializationInfo,  
StreamingContext) ctor, which calls RubyOps.DeserializeObject, which in  
turn reads the attributes dictionary and it’s all fine.  
For CLR types, this finds whatever constructor might exist for the CLR  
object, which does whatever it does for that type.

Unfortunately because the data that is getting passed into the CLR  
deserialization constructor came from Marshal.dump which has no  
knowledge  
whatsoever of CLR serialization, the whole thing crashes.

I’m no expert on CLR serialization, so I’d really appreciate some  
comments  
on this, as I’m not sure what to do here.

As far as I can guess however, I can see two solutions:

1. Implement Marshal.dump on top of the CLR serialization code so it  
matches Marshal.load and should therefore be able to handle CLR types  
too.

2. Don’t allow marshalling of CLR types, and put some special-case code  
into any Ruby types that are backed by CLR types (such as Exception) so  
these at least can be serialized?

I’m going to have a crack at #1, but I’m not sure how successful this  
is.

Again, any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Orion

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**Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 4:42am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ironrubys-marshal-dump-doesnt-work-with-clr-types-or-ruby-types-backed-by-a-clr-type/213192/2 "2011-10-26T04:42:47Z")

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I think we should NOT serialize non-Ruby types for now. The  
implementation isn’t quite working so I’d prefer we delete all code that  
deals with ISerializable, clean up the marshaller and if .NET  
serialization is needed in future implement it fully and correctly.

Marshal.dump has to output exactly the same data as CRuby implementation  
(for Ruby objects). Otherwise you won’t be able to read data serialized  
by CRuby in IronRuby and vice versa.

Tomas

From: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid  
[[mailto:removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid)] On Behalf Of Orion E.  
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:22 PM  
To: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid  
Subject: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby’s Marshal.dump doesn’t work with CLR  
types, or ruby types backed by a CLR type

Backstory: I’m trying to use DRb for some in-house utility code. DRb  
itself seems to work fine, but I found that when I misspelled a method  
name, instead of reporting back a NoMethodError, the IronRuby process  
crashed immediately to the console.

This is using a relatively recent build of IronRuby from Github

Steps to repro:

e = RuntimeError.new ‘xyz’  
dumped = Marshal.dump e  
e2 = Marshal.load dumped

I would expect e2 to be equivalent to e, but instead the process crashes  
with this exception

mscorlib:0:in `_InvokeConstructor': Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. (System::Reflection::TargetInvocationException) from mscorlib:0:in `InvokeConstructor’  
from mscorlib:0:in `Invoke' from (ir):1:in `load’  
from (ir):1

Note: This also happens with any CLR type eg System::DateTime.

I looked through IronRuby’s marshalling code, and it appears that the  
behaviour of Marshal.dump and Marshal.load don’t align properly.

Marshal.dump is it’s own self-contained set of code which essentially  
writes data to a BinaryStream.  
For ruby types, it ends up writing a series of values in a format that  
looks a lot like what I remember CRuby’s marshal writing.  
For CLR types, this just writes the Type name and no instance data (clr  
objects don’t have ruby instance variables after all)

Marshal.load does 2 things:

1. Reads any ruby instance variables out into an Attributes dictionary
2. Uses reflection to find any non-public Constructor(SerializationInfo,  
StreamingContext) and invoke it.

For ruby types, this finds the protected RubyClass(SerializationInfo,  
StreamingContext) ctor, which calls RubyOps.DeserializeObject, which in  
turn reads the attributes dictionary and it’s all fine.  
For CLR types, this finds whatever constructor might exist for the CLR  
object, which does whatever it does for that type.

Unfortunately because the data that is getting passed into the CLR  
deserialization constructor came from Marshal.dump which has no  
knowledge whatsoever of CLR serialization, the whole thing crashes.

I’m no expert on CLR serialization, so I’d really appreciate some  
comments on this, as I’m not sure what to do here.

As far as I can guess however, I can see two solutions:

1. Implement Marshal.dump on top of the CLR serialization code so it  
matches Marshal.load and should therefore be able to handle CLR types  
too.

2. Don’t allow marshalling of CLR types, and put some special-case code  
into any Ruby types that are backed by CLR types (such as Exception) so  
these at least can be serialized?

I’m going to have a crack at #1, but I’m not sure how successful this  
is.

Again, any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Orion

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**Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 5:22am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ironrubys-marshal-dump-doesnt-work-with-clr-types-or-ruby-types-backed-by-a-clr-type/213192/3 "2011-10-26T05:22:49Z")

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For dealing with Clr-backed objects such as Exception should we just  
create special cases in the Marshal to dump and load them? Is there any  
way I can find out what other ruby objects are actually CLR objects  
other  
than Exception types and the basic int, double, float types?

My experiments with extending the marshal to dump CLR types were  
interesting.  
I can dump and load pure CLR types such as System::DateTime, and in  
theory  
it should also work seamlessly for CLR classes that have been “extended”  
by ruby.  
The code is quite simple, it just extends the marshaller and add a few  
extra nonstandard type codes for CLR primitive types such as  
System::Int64  
that can’t be dealt with by the ruby marshaller.

You wouldn’t be able to unmarshal a Pure or extended CLR object from  
CRuby  
as it wouldn’t understand these extra type codes but that doesn’t make  
any  
sense anyway.

Because the marshal extensions preserve all the CLR information for  
exceptions, an IronRuby Exception won’t be able to be loaded by CRuby,  
so  
to keep compatibility there would have to be special cases for  
Exceptions  
(and any other builtin CLR objects that masquerade as ruby objects)  
whether the ISerializable code stays or goes.

Are there any unit tests or specs for the marshalling? There doesn’t  
seem  
to be any mention of it in IronRuby.Tests.csproj, but I haven’t looked  
through all the rubyspec stuff yet.

From: Tomas M. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid)  
To: “removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid)  
Date: 26/10/2011 03:42 p.m.  
Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby’s Marshal.dump doesn’t work  
with CLR types, or ruby types backed by a CLR type  
Sent by: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid

I think we should NOT serialize non-Ruby types for now. The  
implementation  
isn?t quite working so I?d prefer we delete all code that deals with  
ISerializable, clean up the marshaller and if .NET serialization is  
needed  
in future implement it fully and correctly.

Marshal.dump has to output exactly the same data as CRuby implementation  
(for Ruby objects). Otherwise you won?t be able to read data serialized  
by  
CRuby in IronRuby and vice versa.

Tomas

From: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid [  
[mailto:removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid)] On Behalf Of Orion E.  
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:22 PM  
To: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid  
Subject: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby’s Marshal.dump doesn’t work with CLR  
types, or ruby types backed by a CLR type

Backstory: I’m trying to use DRb for some in-house utility code. DRb  
itself seems to work fine, but I found that when I misspelled a method  
name, instead of reporting back a NoMethodError, the IronRuby process  
crashed immediately to the console.

This is using a relatively recent build of IronRuby from Github

Steps to repro:

e = RuntimeError.new ‘xyz’  
dumped = Marshal.dump e  
e2 = Marshal.load dumped

I would expect e2 to be equivalent to e, but instead the process crashes  
with this exception

mscorlib:0:in `_InvokeConstructor': Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. (System::Reflection::TargetInvocationException) from mscorlib:0:in `InvokeConstructor’  
from mscorlib:0:in `Invoke' from (ir):1:in `load’  
from (ir):1

Note: This also happens with any CLR type eg System::DateTime.

I looked through IronRuby’s marshalling code, and it appears that the  
behaviour of Marshal.dump and Marshal.load don’t align properly.

Marshal.dump is it’s own self-contained set of code which essentially  
writes data to a BinaryStream.  
For ruby types, it ends up writing a series of values in a format that  
looks a lot like what I remember CRuby’s marshal writing.  
For CLR types, this just writes the Type name and no instance data (clr  
objects don’t have ruby instance variables after all)

Marshal.load does 2 things:

1. Reads any ruby instance variables out into an Attributes dictionary
2. Uses reflection to find any non-public Constructor(SerializationInfo,  
StreamingContext) and invoke it.

For ruby types, this finds the protected RubyClass(SerializationInfo,  
StreamingContext) ctor, which calls RubyOps.DeserializeObject, which in  
turn reads the attributes dictionary and it’s all fine.  
For CLR types, this finds whatever constructor might exist for the CLR  
object, which does whatever it does for that type.

Unfortunately because the data that is getting passed into the CLR  
deserialization constructor came from Marshal.dump which has no  
knowledge  
whatsoever of CLR serialization, the whole thing crashes.

I’m no expert on CLR serialization, so I’d really appreciate some  
comments  
on this, as I’m not sure what to do here.

As far as I can guess however, I can see two solutions:

1. Implement Marshal.dump on top of the CLR serialization code so it  
matches Marshal.load and should therefore be able to handle CLR types  
too.

2. Don’t allow marshalling of CLR types, and put some special-case code  
into any Ruby types that are backed by CLR types (such as Exception) so  
these at least can be serialized?

I’m going to have a crack at #1, but I’m not sure how successful this  
is.

Again, any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Orion\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
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**Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 5:04am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ironrubys-marshal-dump-doesnt-work-with-clr-types-or-ruby-types-backed-by-a-clr-type/213192/4 "2011-10-28T05:04:43Z")

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I’ve made some changes and have a pull request on Github:

> <https://github.com/IronLanguages/main/pull/47>
>
> IR now writes string encodings, self-referential objects, arrays and hashes, and… exceptions using the same format as MRI.
> Likewise it can now read all the above successfully. Also added a few more specs to cover things that were missed.

The changeset is

[https://github.com/gglresearchanddevelopment/ironlanguages-main/commit/630995eca293b5b0531e821b76bab7e15c4506f6](https://github.com/gglresearchanddevelopment/ironlanguages-main/commit/630995eca293b5b0531e821b76bab7e15c4506f6)

What I did:

1. Ran load\_spec and dump\_spec under  
Languages\Ruby\Tests\mspec\rubyspec\core\marshal

- Lots and lots of things failed

1. Fixed all the failures (except for one, which I can’t quite figure  
out).

- The majority of this work was around writing string encodings when  
marshalling. IronRuby now writes string encodings as per MRI 1.9.2

- IronRuby didn’t handle loading of self-referential arrays, hashes  
and  
objects. I added some specs for these and fixed the Marshal.Load code

- It appears the behaviour of calling Marshal.load passing a proc  
changed between ruby 1.8 and 1.9. It now does what MRI 1.9.2 does

1. Removed the code path from Marshal.load that was using .NET  
serialization.

- Most things worked fine, except the ruby Range CLR class which was  
using the .NET serialization interface.
- As the Ruby range class is immutable we can’t rely on instance  
variable  
setting, and unfortunately range just gets dumped as Object (no special  
token) so it doesn’t really fit into the Marshal.load structure ☹
- I added a new interface: IRubySpecialMarshalling. the range CLR class  
implements this, and Marshal.load checks for it as an alternative way of  
setting instance data.
  - This has the bonus of letting us dump subclasses of Range.  
Previously this did not work.

1. Added code and specs for basic marshalling of Exception types.  
Currently only Exception.message and Exception.backtrace are supported,  
but this covers the majority of use cases for me.
  - Added a special case in Marshal.Write to write the exception data
  - As Exception is like Range (can’t set instance variables, can’t use  
.NET serialization) It uses IRubySpecialMarshalling through a proxy  
object. The proxy object is required because I can’t change the CLR  
exception class to include my interface -☹

Some notes:

- I’m not particularly happy with the way IRubySpecialMarshalling is  
working, but I’m not sure of a better way to do it.
- Using reflection to set Exception.message sucks, but the requirement  
to  
unmarshal self-referential objects basically means you cannot  
Marshal.load  
an object’s attributes an object before you create the object itself.  
This  
is probably no big deal in CRuby ☹
- The single failing marshal test is “loads an Array with proc”. I can’t  
figure out what the logic behind calling the proc is as it gets really  
complicated with lots of nested types. If anyone could shed some light  
on  
it that would be great.
- Where encodings have aliases, IronRuby selects a string’s encoding by  
asking windows what to use based on a Codepage number. Because MRI uses  
a  
different bit of logic, MRI and IronRuby can abitrarily select different  
aliases. EG:

s = “foo”  
s.force\_encoding “cp850”  
s.force\_encoding “ibm850” # alternative which has the same effect  
puts s.encoding =\> “CP850” in MRI, “ibm850” in IronRuby

I don’t suppose this matters much, but it did make the specs harder to  
write ☹

Anyway, any feedback would be much appreciated. Thanks, Orion

From: Tomas M. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid)  
To: “removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid)  
Date: 26/10/2011 03:42 p.m.  
Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby’s Marshal.dump doesn’t work  
with CLR types, or ruby types backed by a CLR type  
Sent by: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid

I think we should NOT serialize non-Ruby types for now. The  
implementation  
isn?t quite working so I?d prefer we delete all code that deals with  
ISerializable, clean up the marshaller and if .NET serialization is  
needed  
in future implement it fully and correctly.

Marshal.dump has to output exactly the same data as CRuby implementation  
(for Ruby objects). Otherwise you won?t be able to read data serialized  
by  
CRuby in IronRuby and vice versa.

Tomas

From: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid [  
[mailto:removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid)] On Behalf Of Orion E.  
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:22 PM  
To: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid  
Subject: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby’s Marshal.dump doesn’t work with CLR  
types, or ruby types backed by a CLR type

Backstory: I’m trying to use DRb for some in-house utility code. DRb  
itself seems to work fine, but I found that when I misspelled a method  
name, instead of reporting back a NoMethodError, the IronRuby process  
crashed immediately to the console.

This is using a relatively recent build of IronRuby from Github

Steps to repro:

e = RuntimeError.new ‘xyz’  
dumped = Marshal.dump e  
e2 = Marshal.load dumped

I would expect e2 to be equivalent to e, but instead the process crashes  
with this exception

mscorlib:0:in `_InvokeConstructor': Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. (System::Reflection::TargetInvocationException) from mscorlib:0:in `InvokeConstructor’  
from mscorlib:0:in `Invoke' from (ir):1:in `load’  
from (ir):1

Note: This also happens with any CLR type eg System::DateTime.

I looked through IronRuby’s marshalling code, and it appears that the  
behaviour of Marshal.dump and Marshal.load don’t align properly.

Marshal.dump is it’s own self-contained set of code which essentially  
writes data to a BinaryStream.  
For ruby types, it ends up writing a series of values in a format that  
looks a lot like what I remember CRuby’s marshal writing.  
For CLR types, this just writes the Type name and no instance data (clr  
objects don’t have ruby instance variables after all)

Marshal.load does 2 things:

1. Reads any ruby instance variables out into an Attributes dictionary
2. Uses reflection to find any non-public Constructor(SerializationInfo,  
StreamingContext) and invoke it.

For ruby types, this finds the protected RubyClass(SerializationInfo,  
StreamingContext) ctor, which calls RubyOps.DeserializeObject, which in  
turn reads the attributes dictionary and it’s all fine.  
For CLR types, this finds whatever constructor might exist for the CLR  
object, which does whatever it does for that type.

Unfortunately because the data that is getting passed into the CLR  
deserialization constructor came from Marshal.dump which has no  
knowledge  
whatsoever of CLR serialization, the whole thing crashes.

I’m no expert on CLR serialization, so I’d really appreciate some  
comments  
on this, as I’m not sure what to do here.

As far as I can guess however, I can see two solutions:

1. Implement Marshal.dump on top of the CLR serialization code so it  
matches Marshal.load and should therefore be able to handle CLR types  
too.

2. Don’t allow marshalling of CLR types, and put some special-case code  
into any Ruby types that are backed by CLR types (such as Exception) so  
these at least can be serialized?

I’m going to have a crack at #1, but I’m not sure how successful this  
is.

Again, any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Orion\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
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**Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:17am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/ironrubys-marshal-dump-doesnt-work-with-clr-types-or-ruby-types-backed-by-a-clr-type/213192/5 "2011-11-01T03:17:46Z")

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I’ve updated the pull request as per Tomas’ code review comments.

- Removed ISpecialRubyMarshalling interface in favour of keeping the  
code  
all in the Marshal
- Only implement Exception#==, not === and eql?
- Implement proper Exception comparison logic to match MRI
- Change the Marshal#ReadObject code to special-case Exceptions and  
Ranges  
so we don’t need to use reflection to set Exception.message and range  
values (yay!)
- Minor tweaks to some exception classes to pass a couple more Rubyspecs  
while I was at it

> <https://github.com/IronLanguages/main/pull/47/files>
>
> IR now writes string encodings, self-referential objects, arrays and hashes, and… exceptions using the same format as MRI.
> Likewise it can now read all the above successfully. Also added a few more specs to cover things that were missed.

Thanks, Orion

From: Tomas M. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid)  
To: “removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid)  
Date: 26/10/2011 03:42 p.m.  
Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby’s Marshal.dump doesn’t work  
with CLR types, or ruby types backed by a CLR type  
Sent by: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid

I think we should NOT serialize non-Ruby types for now. The  
implementation  
isn?t quite working so I?d prefer we delete all code that deals with  
ISerializable, clean up the marshaller and if .NET serialization is  
needed  
in future implement it fully and correctly.

Marshal.dump has to output exactly the same data as CRuby implementation  
(for Ruby objects). Otherwise you won?t be able to read data serialized  
by  
CRuby in IronRuby and vice versa.

Tomas

From: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid [  
[mailto:removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid)] On Behalf Of Orion E.  
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:22 PM  
To: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid  
Subject: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby’s Marshal.dump doesn’t work with CLR  
types, or ruby types backed by a CLR type

Backstory: I’m trying to use DRb for some in-house utility code. DRb  
itself seems to work fine, but I found that when I misspelled a method  
name, instead of reporting back a NoMethodError, the IronRuby process  
crashed immediately to the console.

This is using a relatively recent build of IronRuby from Github

Steps to repro:

e = RuntimeError.new ‘xyz’  
dumped = Marshal.dump e  
e2 = Marshal.load dumped

I would expect e2 to be equivalent to e, but instead the process crashes  
with this exception

mscorlib:0:in `_InvokeConstructor': Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. (System::Reflection::TargetInvocationException) from mscorlib:0:in `InvokeConstructor’  
from mscorlib:0:in `Invoke' from (ir):1:in `load’  
from (ir):1

Note: This also happens with any CLR type eg System::DateTime.

I looked through IronRuby’s marshalling code, and it appears that the  
behaviour of Marshal.dump and Marshal.load don’t align properly.

Marshal.dump is it’s own self-contained set of code which essentially  
writes data to a BinaryStream.  
For ruby types, it ends up writing a series of values in a format that  
looks a lot like what I remember CRuby’s marshal writing.  
For CLR types, this just writes the Type name and no instance data (clr  
objects don’t have ruby instance variables after all)

Marshal.load does 2 things:

1. Reads any ruby instance variables out into an Attributes dictionary
2. Uses reflection to find any non-public Constructor(SerializationInfo,  
StreamingContext) and invoke it.

For ruby types, this finds the protected RubyClass(SerializationInfo,  
StreamingContext) ctor, which calls RubyOps.DeserializeObject, which in  
turn reads the attributes dictionary and it’s all fine.  
For CLR types, this finds whatever constructor might exist for the CLR  
object, which does whatever it does for that type.

Unfortunately because the data that is getting passed into the CLR  
deserialization constructor came from Marshal.dump which has no  
knowledge  
whatsoever of CLR serialization, the whole thing crashes.

I’m no expert on CLR serialization, so I’d really appreciate some  
comments  
on this, as I’m not sure what to do here.

As far as I can guess however, I can see two solutions:

1. Implement Marshal.dump on top of the CLR serialization code so it  
matches Marshal.load and should therefore be able to handle CLR types  
too.

2. Don’t allow marshalling of CLR types, and put some special-case code  
into any Ruby types that are backed by CLR types (such as Exception) so  
these at least can be serialized?

I’m going to have a crack at #1, but I’m not sure how successful this  
is.

Again, any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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I personally haven’t done any work on it since those last emails. I’m  
away from work for the next week or so, so I can’t go and look it up  
easily.

> From my vague memories of the code, it shouldn’t be much work to get  
> it marshalling .NET objects that use the .NET Serialization API’s. I  
> had it working, I just needed to write extra code for .NET fundamental  
> types like Int64 which aren’t handled.  
> Nonserializable .NET objects are much harder however (maybe  
> impossible?).

I too was trying to get DRB to work, but the big issue with that is  
that DRB uses ruby object id’s to keep track of different objects on  
both sides of the connection. CRuby has a special format for object  
id’s, and critically, you should never get duplicate object id’s.  
IronRuby’s implementation of Object ID’s on the other hand is very  
basic, and it’s quite easy to get duplicate object id’s, (completely  
ruining DRb). I’d start with that 🙂

Certainly, if you get DRb working, I’d be a grateful user of it 🙂

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Orion et al.,

I am curious if there has been any forward momentum on addressing CLR  
object serialization in IronRuby. I’m currently porting some JRuby test  
framework code that utilizes DRb as an interface to serialize Java  
objects for test automation. We’d like to be able to accomplish the same  
in Ironruby with CLR objects. Unfortunately, I am running into the above  
issue when DRb uses Marshal.load and Marshal.dump to serialize CLR (and  
CLR-backed) objects. Although there are many potential work-arounds, it  
seems that the ideal scenario would be for Ironruby to competently  
handle .NET family object serializations.

Although I will be implementing a work-around in the short-term, I’d be  
interested in continuing this discussion. Any references you can provide  
would be exceptionally useful.

Best regards,

James

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Hi Orion,

Thanks for the useful feedback. In the interim, I am maintaining the  
object on the DRb server-side and keeping interaction with the object  
basic enough to maintain fairly easily. A rudimentary proxy, if you  
will. Long term, though, I will follow-up on your starting points and  
endeavor to get both marshaling and serializing working. I haven’t  
run-across the object id issue that you mentioned with DRb, however I  
believe this is by nature of the work around.

I’ll keep you in the loop as it progresses, it’s something that will  
probably get put on the shelf for a week or two as I deal with more  
straight-forward tasks first.

Cheers,

James

Orion E. wrote in post #1067985:

> I personally haven’t done any work on it since those last emails. I’m  
> away from work for the next week or so, so I can’t go and look it up  
> easily.
> 
> > From my vague memories of the code, it shouldn’t be much work to get  
> > it marshalling .NET objects that use the .NET Serialization API’s. I  
> > had it working, I just needed to write extra code for .NET fundamental  
> > types like Int64 which aren’t handled.  
> > Nonserializable .NET objects are much harder however (maybe  
> > impossible?).
> 
> I too was trying to get DRB to work, but the big issue with that is  
> that DRB uses ruby object id’s to keep track of different objects on  
> both sides of the connection. CRuby has a special format for object  
> id’s, and critically, you should never get duplicate object id’s.  
> IronRuby’s implementation of Object ID’s on the other hand is very  
> basic, and it’s quite easy to get duplicate object id’s, (completely  
> ruining DRb). I’d start with that 🙂
> 
> Certainly, if you get DRb working, I’d be a grateful user of it 🙂

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