# Interesting ActiveRecord vs Hibernate article

**URL:** <https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/interesting-activerecord-vs-hibernate-article/59593>\
**Category:** Rails\
**Created:** [May 4, 2006, 2:38pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/interesting-activerecord-vs-hibernate-article/59593 "2006-05-04T14:38:00Z")\
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**Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 2:38pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/interesting-activerecord-vs-hibernate-article/59593/1 "2006-05-04T14:38:00Z")

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**Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 3:27pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/interesting-activerecord-vs-hibernate-article/59593/2 "2006-05-04T15:27:13Z")

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Ken K. wrote:

> For those haven’t seen it yet, Patrick Peak has an interesting article  
> at the Server Side ([www.theserverside.com](http://www.theserverside.com)  
> [http://www.theserverside.com](http://www.theserverside.com)) discussing the differences between the  
> Hibernate ([www.hibernate.org](http://www.hibernate.org) [http://www.hibernate.org](http://www.hibernate.org)) peristence  
> framework and ActiveRecord. The article can be found here:  
> [http://www.theserverside.com/articles/article.tss?l=RailsHibernate](http://www.theserverside.com/articles/article.tss?l=RailsHibernate) .  
> Patrick Peak is the author of _Hibernate Quickly_ (Manning), which I  
> didn’t find particularly readable, but he definitely knows his stuff.
> 
> Just thought you might like to know,  
> Interesting. One bit I’m not sure of:

> # Altered query for @minersWithSqA
> 
> \<%= miner.square\_area %\>

Is this ever true? Doing that query doesn’t stop me from calling  
miner.gold\_claim.square\_area.

He also makes the claim that Rails can’t not do lazy loading, which  
seems to ignore the :include option to AR::Base#find. Then again, it  
does have a publication date of over a year ago, so I guess it may have  
been true then. It would be _really_ nice to know which versions he was  
comparing.