IDEA: Ruby "offline" CD / DVD

Ruby
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On 3/15/07, Robert D. [email protected] wrote:

And to an old Smalltalker there’s quite a bit of evidence in Ruby that
it was a pretty big influence on Matz.

Boy I get sentimental:

Hey, I’d much rather reminisce about the good old days than have an
endless argument about open source licenses.

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Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

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On 3/15/07, Rick DeNatale [email protected] wrote:

through many significant stages including Smalltalk-72, Smalltalk-76

Java could be had for free as long as you accepted Sun’s licensing
terms.

Ah I think you are spot on here, and it is nice to see how the open
source spiral worked. Smalltalk was closed, Java was free as in beer
than Smalltalk become open and now Java is as I learned in this
honored place.

Well there are major influences for that which have nothing to do with
Smalltalk but it is still nice to see.

As I recall, John Maloney invited me to a birds-of-a-feather session.
I walked into the room to find all these Smalltalkers huddled together
marveling over the constraint based Morphic MVC framework, and Dan’s
music synthesis code. I had the impression that we were like the
Christians hiding out in the catacombs while the Romans(Java drinkers)
were having their orgies outside.

This is all great stuff, I’ll just post to the Squeak ML to subscribe
to the Ruby ML if they have any questions :wink:

–
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

Cheers
Robert

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On 3/15/07, Rick DeNatale [email protected] wrote:

On 3/15/07, Robert D. [email protected] wrote:

And to an old Smalltalker there’s quite a bit of evidence in Ruby that
it was a pretty big influence on Matz.

Boy I get sentimental:

Hey, I’d much rather reminisce about the good old days than have an
endless argument about open source licenses.
Very understandable LOL, but maybe this is a melancholic laugh :frowning:

–
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

Robert

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On 3/15/07, Robert D. [email protected] wrote:

It might be noteworthy though that the Squeak folks are the original
developers of Smalltalk.

Well Dan Ingalls was one of the Squeak developers, and the first
Smalltalk implementer. He actually amazed Alan Kay when he showed him
an actuall implementation of the ideas which Alan had sketched out on
a single sheet of paper. If I’m not mistaken Dan’s first Smaltalk
interpreter was written in Basic of all things, but he carried it
through many significant stages including Smalltalk-72, Smalltalk-76
and Smalltalk-80. The last I heard Dan was working for Sun on Java,
although still making contributions to Squeak.

Another main contributor to Squeak is/was John Maloney who’s a bit too
young to be an original Smalltalk contributer. John was a student of
Alan Borning at the University of Washinton. Borning had built a
constraint-based simulation system in Smalltalk named Thinglab. John
(along with Bjorn Freeman-Benson) built a more generalized
constraint-based system called Thinglab II as doctoral students under
Borning.

And of course Alan Kay was involved as well, Squeak started while he
was an Apple Fellow, and continued with funding from Disney when he
became a Disney Fellow. I suspect that Alan’s major role was as a
idea/spark generator, cheerleader and user of Squeak for his
multi-media simulation projects with kids.

My first encounter with Squeak came at OOPSLA many years ago. It was
about the time when Java was really starting to take the wind out of
Smaltalk’s sails, probably more do to the fact that IBM and ParcPlace
Digitalk were charging big bucks for Smalltalk implementations while
Java could be had for free as long as you accepted Sun’s licensing
terms.

As I recall, John Maloney invited me to a birds-of-a-feather session.
I walked into the room to find all these Smalltalkers huddled together
marveling over the constraint based Morphic MVC framework, and Dan’s
music synthesis code. I had the impression that we were like the
Christians hiding out in the catacombs while the Romans(Java drinkers)
were having their orgies outside.

Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

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On 14 mar, 09:06, SonOfLilit [email protected] wrote:

SoC material perhaps?

That’d be a great idea! There’s still time. The description Stian gave
is pretty detailed and it seems like he’s already done some stuff and
has a good understanding of what needs to be done.

It would be especially great if the stuff on this CD could run on
Windows without administrator privileges. I have this situation at
work, which is the worst imaginable: No internet, have to use Windows,
and can’t install InstantRails (afaik)!

Making it a LiveCD is a bit of overkill though, I think, and would
take precious room in the CD/DVD that could be used for something
better. It could then of course be distributed in an Ubuntu/RubyCD
bundle, each in its separate media.

[]'s

Helder