# How can I leverage Validation framework for input parameter collection when I don't have/need to per **URL:** \ **Category:** Rails\ **Created:** [November 18, 2008, 8:16am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/how-can-i-leverage-validation-framework-for-input-parameter-collection-when-i-dont-have-need-to-per/153511 "2008-11-18T08:16:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![greg](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/71c47a/32.png) [@greg](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/greg)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 8:16am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/how-can-i-leverage-validation-framework-for-input-parameter-collection-when-i-dont-have-need-to-per/153511/1 "2008-11-18T08:16:49Z")
Hi, How can I leverage Validation framework for input parameter collection when I don’t have/need to persist to database (i.e. no activerecord table) ??? I have a set of parameters I want to collect from a form that will be used as input to a 2nd stage. I want to collect the parameters and use the Rails validations framework to assist here however how do I do this when I don’t have a database table? (i.e. I won’t have an active record model)? Which is the most popular method for this, for example: (a) I see there is an activerecord\_base\_without\_table plugin ([http://agilewebdevelopment.com/plugins/activerecord\_base\_without\_table](http://agilewebdevelopment.com/plugins/activerecord_base_without_table)) - but it seems like a shame to have to jump into a plugin just to use the validation framework no? (b) another I see is [http://rorblog.techcfl.com/2008/04/02/custom-form-validations-without-activerecord/](http://rorblog.techcfl.com/2008/04/02/custom-form-validations-without-activerecord/) ([http://validatable.rubyforge.org/](http://validatable.rubyforge.org/)) (c) Is there a direct way to use the validation / activecontroller framework without needing a plugin? Thanks