# Forum \<-\> ML gateway **URL:** \ **Category:** NGINX\ **Created:** [April 24, 2010, 12:07pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/forum-ml-gateway/187510 "2010-04-24T12:07:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Alejandro_Mery)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 12:07pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/forum-ml-gateway/187510/1 "2010-04-24T12:07:25Z")
Hello, any idea why the forum/mailing list gateway ignores my replies? do I need to register there or there are certain “tokens” I need to include in the reply? Thanks, Alejandro Mery ---
**Author:** ![Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Alejandro_Mery)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/forum-ml-gateway/187510/2 "2010-04-24T15:01:13Z")
On 4/24/10 6:06 AM, Alejandro Mery wrote: > Hello, > > any idea why the forum/mailing list gateway ignores my replies? do I > need to register there or there are certain “tokens” I need to include > in the reply? > > Thanks, > Alejandro Mery [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,78723,78723#msg-78723](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,78723,78723#msg-78723) [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,78633,78721#msg-78721](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,78633,78721#msg-78721) [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,78144,78321#msg-78321](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,78144,78321#msg-78321) [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,77119,77791#msg-77791](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,77119,77791#msg-77791) [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,77119,77124#msg-77124](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,77119,77124#msg-77124) [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,74496,74650#msg-74650](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,74496,74650#msg-74650) Can you point me to other mailing list replies that seem to be missing? – Jim O. ---
**Author:** ![Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Alejandro_Mery)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 3:18pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/forum-ml-gateway/187510/3 "2010-04-24T15:18:46Z")
Hello! On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 09:00:31AM -0400, Jim O. wrote: > [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,78723,78723#msg-78723](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,78723,78723#msg-78723) > > Can you point me to other mailing list replies that seem to be missing? Here is recent example I’ve happen to find in russian mailing list. Forum thread: [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,75571,75571#msg-75571](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,75571,75571#msg-75571) And here is coresponding one in mailing list archive (with 4 extra messages): [http://nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-ru/2010-April/033631.html](http://nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-ru/2010-April/033631.html) [http://nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-ru/2010-April/thread.html#33631](http://nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-ru/2010-April/thread.html#33631) And in some cases messages are actually available in forum but disappear after reply in forum. Maxim D. ---
**Author:** ![Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Alejandro_Mery)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 4:00pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/forum-ml-gateway/187510/4 "2010-04-24T16:00:20Z")
On 4/24/10 9:18 AM, Maxim D. wrote: > > > > > [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,75571,75571#msg-75571](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,75571,75571#msg-75571) > > And here is coresponding one in mailing list archive (with 4 extra > messages): > > [proxy cache + закачка файла](http://nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-ru/2010-April/033631.html) > [Архив nginx-ru, том Апрель 2010, сообщения упорядочены по по дискуссиям](http://nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-ru/2010-April/thread.html#33631) The four “extra” messages are there. They were placed in separate threads. [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,75581](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,75581) [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,75621](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,75621) [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,75911](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,75911) [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,76601](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,76601) This is a known issue with parsing non-Latin characters. It doesn’t happen often in English forum, if ever, and only occasionally in the Russian forum. Since I don’t read the Russian mailing list/forum, I don’t really see it. I am open to anyone who actually is interested and able to do so to take on the job of merging the threads. I will happily assign moderator powers for such. I doubt it would take more than 5 minutes per day for someone who reads Russian. For me it is character recognition without understanding what I am reading in the subject and is fairly tedious. For someone with even cursory understanding of Russian it should be quite simple. > And in some cases messages are actually available in forum but > disappear after reply in forum. Sorry Maxim, but this is impossible. A post can only “disappear” if it is specifically deleted by myself. Sometimes _new_ posts and threads are caught in the spam traps I have in place. This prevents most forum based spam from getting out to the mailing lists but traps many legitimate entries as well. The reason is that one of the criteria for determining if something is spam is many URL’s in an entry. So it happens more often than I’d like. Once in a while a person gets frustrated and enters a second post that goes through. In such cases I might delete the original if the content was more or less the same. In such cases, however, the entry was never visible. In any event, I check for such entries several times a day. The longest span is my overnight hours which unfortunately might go into the early to mid afternoon in Moscow time. Again, I am open to someone in a European time zone having access to approve such messages. Separately, there was until recently an error in processing entries to the Russian announcement forum. As a result some entries are missing. That was my fault and was due to an error I created when I changed servers. That has been corrected and the announcement for nginx 0.8.36 was included as it should have been. Anyone interested in helping out in any way can feel free to contact me off-list. – Jim O. ---
**Author:** ![Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Alejandro_Mery)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/forum-ml-gateway/187510/5 "2010-04-24T16:20:50Z")
On 4/24/10 9:41 AM, Alejandro Mery wrote: > Responses get added fairly quickly. Igor added the forum email address to the top of the list for outgoing messages (at least under the old Majordomo based system) so ours went out pretty much right away. I’m not certain if that’s still the case. The forum checks all of the mail every two minutes via cron so there is rarely more than a delay of more than a few minutes. As for same subject replies, this may be a bug or may be by design. I will look into the script. – Jim O. ---
**Author:** ![Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Alejandro_Mery)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/forum-ml-gateway/187510/6 "2010-04-24T15:42:11Z")
Hi Jim, > Can you point me to other mailing list replies that seem to be missing? oh, thanks! it seems it’s only the “natural” delay. when I checked they weren’t there _yet_. and some confusion on replies to threads with the same topic. my reply to [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,77780,77780#msg-77780](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,77780,77780#msg-77780) it got added to the original thread instead [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,77119,77791#msg-77791](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,77119,77791#msg-77791) Alejandro ---
**Author:** ![Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Alejandro_Mery)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 3:21am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/forum-ml-gateway/187510/7 "2010-04-25T03:21:05Z")
Hello! On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 09:59:46AM -0400, Jim O. wrote: > On 4/24/10 9:18 AM, Maxim D. wrote: […] > This is a known issue with parsing non-Latin characters. It doesn’t > happen often in English forum, if ever, and only occasionally in the > Russian forum. Since I don’t read the Russian mailing list/forum, I […] I don’t really understand how parsing non-Latin characters is related to threading. It should be done based on matching Message-Id and In-Reply-To/References headers, which are ASCII-only. If it’s done based on Subject for some unknown reason - it should be just changed to do correct Message-Id/In-Reply-To matching instead. > > And in some cases messages are actually available in forum but > > disappear after reply in forum. > > Sorry Maxim, but this is impossible. A post can only “disappear” if > it is specifically deleted by myself. Sometimes _new_ posts and […] Here it is: [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,64648](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,64648) [http://nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-ru/2010-March/thread.html#33016](http://nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-ru/2010-March/thread.html#33016) The following message was there (and was replied by Sergey in the same forum thread), but disappeared after reply: > **[\[alert\] 886#0: worker process 24832 exited on signal 11](http://mailman.nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-ru/2010-March/033042.html)** Here is Sergey’s reply: [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,64648,64889#msg-64889](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,64648,64889#msg-64889) And here is his question (“Strange, your previous post disappeared”): [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,64648,64890#msg-64890](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,64648,64890#msg-64890) Maxim D. p.s. And, BTW, another problem which may be seen in the same thread and very annoying: forum-to-maillist gateway skips things like “[alert]” while they are happily rendered in the forum itself. In extreme cases it munges regexps posted via forum to something different but still valid. Most likely it tries to skip bbcodes, but looks like it does it wrong and this causes more harm than good. Could you please either fix it or just switch off this bbcode removal? ---
**Author:** ![Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Alejandro_Mery)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 5:50am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/forum-ml-gateway/187510/8 "2010-04-25T05:50:55Z")
Just wondering if nginx is at the point now where moving most of the project resources to something like Sourceforge, github, launchpad, or bitbucket makes sense. Wikis, mailing lists, forums, issue tracking, code, releases all in one place. It’s a solved problem, and unifying things might actually increase the nginx contrbutor pool. Igor, do you have an opinion? I would help with wiki porting & SCM conversion… – RPM ---
**Author:** ![Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Alejandro\_Mery](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Alejandro_Mery)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 4:40am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/forum-ml-gateway/187510/9 "2010-04-25T04:40:05Z")
On 4/24/10 9:19 PM, Maxim D. wrote: > Hello! > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 09:59:46AM -0400, Jim O. wrote: > > > On 4/24/10 9:18 AM, Maxim D. wrote: […] > I don’t really understand how parsing non-Latin characters is > related to threading. It should be done based on matching > Message-Id and In-Reply-To/References headers, which are > ASCII-only. > > If it’s done based on Subject for some unknown reason - it should > be just changed to do correct Message-Id/In-Reply-To matching > instead. I will look into this but it seems only to happen (if memory serves me correctly) in subjects with a mixture of Latin and Cyrillic characters. It’s not my script and I’m not likely to be able to do a better job with PHP than the original author. However, I can try. It does not happen in English forum, or very rarely. > [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,64648](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,64648) > > And here is his question (“Strange, your previous post > disappeared”): > > [http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,64648,64890#msg-64890](http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?21,64648,64890#msg-64890) I stand corrected. The other way it can happen is if I restore a database backup. I did on March 17th as I had a problem with a Phorum upgrade and had to restore a backup. Looking through my email records that occurred on March 17th. (Looking also at Google, Phorum version 5.2.15 was released that day. I upgraded - there is a thread on my issues in their support forum which is currently unreachable.) So it’s likely that in the 30-60 minutes that I was working on this a few messages were indeed lost. The backup that was restored was no older than that, and was probably closer to 15 minutes old. It’s an overstatement to say that “in some cases messages are actually available in forum but disappear after reply in forum.” This type of thing happens and is why I follow the good practice to create a backup of the database and of all files immediately prior to any upgrade. I made an error in judgement in not stopping the cron job that imports email into the database every two minutes. Once those emails are imported they are deleted from the “Maildir” and cannot be recovered. So once I reverted to the “good” database those entries were gone. Do you have other examples from other time periods? If so then there are several possibilities including that someone might have gotten my password. I have changed it just now. > wrong and this causes more harm than good. Could you please > either fix it or just switch off this bbcode removal? I don’t know how “happily” it renders anything. However, the bbcode stripping in outgoing email is woefully inadequate and will strip anything enclosed in square brackets. I have disabled this as of now but it will likely have some undesirable effects. – Jim O.