# Extended tutorials? **URL:** \ **Category:** Rails\ **Created:** [October 18, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/extended-tutorials/151232 "2008-10-18T17:35:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MHC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9dc877/32.png) [@MHC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/MHC)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/extended-tutorials/151232/1 "2008-10-18T17:35:16Z")
Hi group Sorry to admit that I’m an “architect” these days. RoR came on my horizon recently and I had to have a look. Great framework, full stop. I built a single-table app and tooled with the css for sexiness and it was impressive for what it did. I need to see how this works in the bigger picture. I’d like a pointer to tutorials on the following. Can you help me with links? Single-table db-driven application development is 10x faster, I get it. I need to see how this works in the eXtreme environment. Adding a db column to my existing table will be good for a start, and then how do I build relationships? I’m not talking about having a db model to start with; try prototyping with the user with production in mind. eXtremely iterative development; how do I do this? I built a list for tasks. How do I extend this to handle many task lists (one for my housekeeper, one for each of my staff, one for my government, one for me)? I expect command-line work from what I’ve seen already. I expect to be able to transport the data I’ve already entered. Am I expecting too much? I need a set of test harnesses. What tools/frameworks do I have for testing? I need to see how I can take my dev stuff, which has been tested, to my production server. Mongrel is fine for dev/test, but my bill-payer uses Apache or WebLogic or lampp or Microsoft Thing-o. What do I tell my server guys about what I need to get us running? Where do I put my gems or jars, or heaven forbid my jewels? Say I use Mongrel for my internal application. How do I deploy several RoR applications to my single Mongrel at 3000? How would this be different to loading them onto my internal Apache or Whatever? How do I generate code/api documentation? How do I expose my services? Even if my only service is to provide a list of tasks to be completed, how do I represent myself? WSDL? CORBA? SOAP? Show me the interface, please? Pattern language. I’m not sure of the stance of Dave and Andy on this, but many people new to RoR may well appreciate this. A principle as simple as DRY is evident in rake and scaffold and partial forms. Intricacies are hidden from the novice. Can you expose the intricacies, please? ---
**Author:** ![MHC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9dc877/32.png) [@MHC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/MHC)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/extended-tutorials/151232/2 "2008-10-18T17:37:37Z")
Instead of looking for tutorials, get a full blown book → > **[Pragmatic Bookshelf: By Developers, For Developers](https://pragprog.com)** > > We improve the lives of professional developers. We create timely, practical books on classic and cutting-edge topics to help you learn and practice your craft, and accelerate your career. Come learn with us. On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:35 AM, MHC [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > expecting too much? > Say I use Mongrel for my internal application. How do I deploy > this, but many people new to RoR may well appreciate this. A > principle as simple as DRY is evident in rake and scaffold and partial > forms. Intricacies are hidden from the novice. Can you expose the > intricacies, please? > > > – Maurício Linhares [http://alinhavado.wordpress.com/](http://alinhavado.wordpress.com/) (pt-br) | [http://blog.codevader.com/](http://blog.codevader.com/) (en) João Pessoa, PB, +55 83 8867-7208 ---
**Author:** ![MHC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9dc877/32.png) [@MHC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/MHC)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2008, 5:56pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/extended-tutorials/151232/3 "2008-10-18T17:56:23Z")
Thanks Mauricio That’s a very good suggestion. Unfortunately I’ve spent many years in Communities where sharing is valued non-commercially. Smalltalk and Java communities collaborated effectively to share knowledge in the early days of the Internet, and despite the small bandwidths and small subscriptions it was very effective. I’m saddened to see so many books and so few Internet Helpfuls on this very exciting piece of technology. If anyone can point me at Internet Helpfuls, I will be truly appreciative. If anyone can point me at a valid appraisal of the relevant current texts (October 2008 or nearby), I will be truly appreciative. On Oct 19, 2:36 am, “Maurício Linhares” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) ---
**Author:** ![MHC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9dc877/32.png) [@MHC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/MHC)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2008, 11:33pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/extended-tutorials/151232/4 "2008-10-18T23:33:56Z")
Actually there is at least one that I know of and highly recommend. Please use the following link: [http://www.buildingwebapps.com/podcasts](http://www.buildingwebapps.com/podcasts) Both Michael S. and Christopher Haupt do an excellent job of walking you through Rails capabilities end-to-end. Admittedly, you won’t be an expert by the time you get through this, but you will get most of the answers for your questions (hopefully). After that, I would buy the books and go through them. Another excellent commercial source for in-depth tutorials is [www.peepcode.com](http://www.peepcode.com). You have to pay for them same as books though. My experience is that it is relatively easy to get going initially, but anything beyond it requires a lot of commitment of time and resources same as any other technology. Still, you get a lot more done in the same amount of time. Hope this helps. Bharat ---
**Author:** ![MHC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9dc877/32.png) [@MHC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/MHC)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2008, 6:11pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/extended-tutorials/151232/5 "2008-10-18T18:11:00Z")
On Oct 18, 2:35 pm, MHC [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Single-table db-driven application development is 10x faster, I get > it. I need to see how this works in the eXtreme environment. Adding > a db column to my existing table will be good for a start, and then > how do I build relationships? I’m not talking about having a db model > to start with; try prototyping with the user with production in mind. > eXtremely iterative development; how do I do this? I built a list for > tasks. How do I extend this to handle many task lists (one for my > housekeeper, one for each of my staff, one for my government, one for > me)? I expect command-line work from what I’ve seen already. I > expect to be able to transport the data I’ve already entered. Am I > expecting too much? These questions are somewhat vague. if you wanted to scope task lists per user then you’d probably start by adding a user\_id column to that table (read up on migrations). User would then have a has\_many association with task\_list\_item. > I need a set of test harnesses. What tools/frameworks do I have for > testing? test/unit is baked in. A lot of people use rspec too. > I need to see how I can take my dev stuff, which has been tested, to > my production server. Mongrel is fine for dev/test, but my bill-payer > uses Apache or WebLogic or lampp or Microsoft Thing-o. What do I tell > my server guys about what I need to get us running? Where do I put my > gems or jars, or heaven forbid my jewels? A lot of people use mongrel in production, with apache or nginx load balancing to the mongrels. mod\_rails (also known as passenger) is also an option > Say I use Mongrel for my internal application. How do I deploy > several RoR applications to my single Mongrel at 3000? How would this > be different to loading them onto my internal Apache or Whatever? A single mongrel only ever serves one app. > How do I generate code/api documentation? There’s a rake task for generating documentation (assuming you’ve been writing rdoc comments). There are a number of generators (see script/ generate) > How do I expose my services? Even if my only service is to provide a > list of tasks to be completed, how do I represent myself? WSDL? > CORBA? SOAP? Show me the interface, please? RESTful APIs seem to be the way people are going. The actionwebservice framework handles SOAP > Pattern language. I’m not sure of the stance of Dave and Andy on > this, but many people new to RoR may well appreciate this. A > principle as simple as DRY is evident in rake and scaffold and partial > forms. Intricacies are hidden from the novice. Can you expose the > intricacies, please? Not entirely sure what you’re asking here, but if you want to understand the innards of the framework then the best way is to get yourself to the point where you can just read the source. Fred