# Evaluating Web Development Frameworks: Rails and Django **URL:** \ **Category:** Rails\ **Created:** [February 25, 2007, 7:16pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/evaluating-web-development-frameworks-rails-and-django/86766 "2007-02-25T19:16:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/johanatan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 7:16pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/evaluating-web-development-frameworks-rails-and-django/86766/1 "2007-02-25T19:16:30Z")
hi y’all, fyi i’ve posted the first in a series of blog articles, Evaluating Web D. Frameworks: Rails and Django at [http://www.vaporbase.com/postings/91](http://www.vaporbase.com/postings/91) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/johanatan)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 6:08pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/evaluating-web-development-frameworks-rails-and-django/86766/2 "2007-02-27T18:08:38Z")
Rails and Django - Project and Community (part 2/15) has been posted [http://www.vaporbase.com/postings/92](http://www.vaporbase.com/postings/92) ---
**Author:** ![johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/johanatan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2007, 4:09pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/evaluating-web-development-frameworks-rails-and-django/86766/3 "2007-03-01T16:09:47Z")
fyi Current posting discusses Ruby vs Python Rails and Django - Programming Language (part 3/15) [http://www.vaporbase.com/postings/93](http://www.vaporbase.com/postings/93) The article series starts here: Evaluating Web D. Frameworks: Rails and Django [http://www.vaporbase.com/postings/91](http://www.vaporbase.com/postings/91) ---
**Author:** ![johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/johanatan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 12:27am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/evaluating-web-development-frameworks-rails-and-django/86766/4 "2007-03-05T00:27:04Z")
for anyone following along, the latest post: Rails and Django - Framework Concept (part 4/15) [http://www.vaporbase.com/postings/94](http://www.vaporbase.com/postings/94) ---
**Author:** ![johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/johanatan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/evaluating-web-development-frameworks-rails-and-django/86766/5 "2007-03-05T14:56:39Z")
On 3/4/07, linoj [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > for anyone following along, the latest post: > Rails and Django - Framework Concept (part 4/15) > [http://www.vaporbase.com/postings/94](http://www.vaporbase.com/postings/94) Jumping late here (on vacation), but doesn’t this line: “Disclaimer: While I come at this with a significant level of experience, this report is the result of my review without the benefit of having built a real project with either framework.” kind of torpedo your entire argument? I don’t know enough about Django beyond the fact that it is well respected, but without serious experience in either field I think you would be doing a disservice to either framework. In fact your evaluation matrix is too fine-grained, and quite suspect in many places: I don’t think that anybody can make an unbiased rating of whether Ruby is a better or worse language than Python, yet it’s your first criteria. By and large rating-by-numbers is dangerous. I tend to prefer PASS/FAIL and PASS+ to indicate relative superiority. It just hits the nail on the head better. ---
**Author:** ![johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/johanatan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 6:11pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/evaluating-web-development-frameworks-rails-and-django/86766/6 "2007-03-17T18:11:35Z")
On Mar 5, 8:13 pm, “Conrad T.” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > In short, it seems that it might be a better to evalutate a framework > if you actually use it in the context of a project. NO! So you are saying we should spend 1 month learning rails and 1 month learning django… buy all the books … do some sort of quick sketch of the project we want to develop then … ask questions solve problem and then evaluate rails/django… Hmmm… Hate to disagree I don’t have that much time…Sorry 1. All the review we will see on the net between the two are biased one way or another. Everyone is selling something … 2. No matter what we say here in the forum Both has its plus and minus at the end its a matter of preference and knowledge of python or ruby plays a big role. I think linoj’s attempt is a good attempt to find out what he wants to find out and I for one would like to know that no matter what his conclusion is. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@johanatan](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/johanatan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 8:14pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/evaluating-web-development-frameworks-rails-and-django/86766/7 "2007-03-05T20:14:37Z")
Hi, I must agree with Richard in regards to his statements concerning the evaluation of frameworks without having built anything with them. Also, I feel that most people on this mailing list is devoted to using Rails and I’m sure that the same goes for Django on its associated mailing list. Thus, I feel that you should think about how to best evaluate these frameworks. For example, if I had relatively detail specification for building an e-commerce site, how does each of these frameworks fair in this regard? Now, I’m sure that you may be able to enlist volunteers from both the Rails and Django camps to assist with implementation and statistics gathering. Then you can extend the framework evaluation to others like [ASP.Net](http://ASP.Net) (C#), J2EE, Symfony, Zend Framework, and so on. In short, it seems that it might be a better to evalutate a framework if you actually use it in the context of a project. -Conrad