# Did Something Changed Again in Spec **URL:** \ **Category:** IronRuby\ **Created:** [January 25, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254 "2010-01-25T17:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/21 "2010-01-25T19:15:31Z")
This is just basic Ruby. If you want to use Ruby, you have to learn Ruby’s nuances. 🙂 Ryan R. Email: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid LinkedIn: [http://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanriley](http://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanriley) Blog: [http://wizardsofsmart.net/](http://wizardsofsmart.net/) Twitter: @panesofglass Website: [http://panesofglass.org/](http://panesofglass.org/) ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/22 "2010-01-25T19:12:36Z")
When the -S support gets checked in, we shouldn’t need copying files and so on. Again dev.bat IS NOT NEEDED for anyone who doesn’t develop IronRuby itself, it is only needed to use the IronRuby sources to build IronRuby. It is expected that dev.bat won’t be found unless you add dev.bat to the path. We don’t plan on changing that since we don’t want to mess with peoples’ paths from the git repo. JD ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/23 "2010-01-25T19:41:22Z")
> > This is just basic Ruby. If you want to use Ruby, you have to learn > > Ruby’s > > nuances. 🙂 Disagree! You don’t have to perform configurations in Ruby. It just works 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 7:24pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/24 "2010-01-25T19:24:41Z")
Currently in order to run spec I did the following: 1. Set the environment variable for IronRuby (This is done to use IronRuby on the machine) 2. Copying the files and renaming them. 3. Add IronRuby configs in App.config if I need to invoke spec command from C#. Sorry to say but 90% of the people will bail out and NOT use IronRuby. I have experienced the same feedback from people who were in my IronRuby presentation. ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/25 "2010-01-25T19:44:12Z")
interesting you are not opposed to having an installer mess up your system which involves several clicks, registry entries but are opposed to adding an entry to PATH and copying 2 files to make an app, which is still in development, work. But good to know what we can do to make it even easier for people to get on board. ## would running a small script or installing a gem be better for you? Can I change the path permanently through the registry or something? Met vriendelijke groeten - Best regards - Salutations Ivan Porto C. GSM: +32.486.787.582 Blog: [http://flanders.co.nz](http://flanders.co.nz) Twitter: [http://twitter.com/casualjim](http://twitter.com/casualjim) Author of IronRuby in Action ([IronRuby in Action - Ivan Porto Carrero and Adam Burmister | Manning](http://manning.com/carrero)) ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/26 "2010-01-25T19:50:34Z")
The problem is that every person has their own IronRuby folder. It has to work same for everyone. Kind of like libraries in GAC. You are NOT thinking throughly about the problem! This is not regarding putting the path in ENV variables and copying couple of files. This is about doing the same thing for 10 servers. I don’t think you will be comfortable doing the same for 10 servers. This also adds extra work for writing build scripts that will do this work. Maybe the IronRuby installation should add the IronRuby folder to a common path which is same for all the machines. Kind of like when installing the .NET framework which is usually on a common place. ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 7:55pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/27 "2010-01-25T19:55:54Z")
1. what environment variable do you need to set? 2)will be changed soone 2. why are you invoking the spec command from C#??? It makes sense to use other ruby libraries, but it’s odd (to me) to use the spec command from within C#. We’ve also mentioned that yes, this could be easier, but we don’t have the resources at current. Most .NET dev’s have had to deal with config files, so I don’t think your presentation experience is typical of most developers. JD ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 8:32pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/28 "2010-01-25T20:32:12Z")
If you want to deploy easily, then you can include the needed files in the same directory as the DLL. Every programming system I have ever used requires setup, it’s not hard to script setting up ENV variables and copying files. We do this kind of thing on 20+ machines for testing for IronRuby and IronPython. Using the installer does install to a common location, %ProgramFiles%. JD ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/29 "2010-01-25T20:45:05Z")
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Mohammad A. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > The problem is that every person has their own IronRuby folder. It has > to work same for everyone. Kind of like libraries in GAC. > > You are NOT thinking throughly about the problem! > > This is not regarding putting the path in ENV variables and copying > couple of files. This is about doing the same thing for 10 servers. I > don’t think you will be comfortable doing the same for 10 servers. Seriously? If a developer isn’t comfortable with setting ENV variables what hope do they have to actually write decent code? Even visual studio has it’s own special command prompt runner (guess what, it’s a bat file, just like dev.bat) Regarding 10 servers, why not? You can write a setup script once and execute it on those 10 servers. > This also adds extra work for writing build scripts that will do this > work. > > Maybe the IronRuby installation should add the IronRuby folder to a > common path which is same for all the machines. Kind of like when > installing the .NET framework which is usually on a common place. The .NET framework does not add it’s folder to the common path. Try run regasm on a clean windows 7 machine from the command prompt and watch it fail. This does however raise a small question - does the IronRuby MSI installer drop a registry entry that others can use to determine the installation path? That seems to be common practice amongst windows apps, and might be handy ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/30 "2010-01-25T20:37:28Z")
I’m sorry if I offended you that wasn’t my intention. Don’t tell me I’m not thinking. 1. Do you know what gems are and how they work? It’s like the GAC 2. It’s easy to find out the location of a certain file from script and go from there (killing the need for the PATH variable) 3. exactly it’s about a repeatable and scriptable process. so I don’t think an installer will do the trick you know, but invoking an included script does. 4. I fully realise what a build server is, how you do automated deployments and how you provision many machines fast and quite frankly script the lot so I don’t have to do it twice. So my advice stands Buy a book on batch scripting learn how ruby works. if you’re provisioning a server the idea is that you’re in control of where you download and extract the zip. so you know and it will probably be the same on another server you create and provision with your script (rocket science, I think not) killing the need for a preordained location which probably isn’t where I want it. You don’t even need to set the path and if you’re running a script it’s easy to do so in the script. * * * Met vriendelijke groeten - Best regards - Salutations Ivan Porto C. Blog: [http://flanders.co.nz](http://flanders.co.nz) Twitter: [http://twitter.com/casualjim](http://twitter.com/casualjim) Author of IronRuby in Action ([http://manning.com/carrero](http://manning.com/carrero)) ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/31 "2010-01-25T20:45:09Z")
You are completely missing my point!!! gems are like GAC but IronRuby is not using them as GAC. It is using it like a simple zip file extraction and folder path mechanism. Since, it is not an installable every developer can download the IronRuby framework in a different folder. Which means that on all the machines the ENV variable is different and now gems are downloaded also in the different folders. If we install IronRuby like “Ruby” using one click installer then chances are high that it will reside in a common directory. Using the method about I have to announce to all developers that please keep your files in C:\IronRuby folder. ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/32 "2010-01-25T20:56:13Z")
First, can you please join the mailing list so that we don’t have to figure out your context. The forum doesn’t include the thread. Gems are not like the GAC. The location of the GAC is hard to change, yes you can do it via hint paths, but you will probably break something. Gems are easy to move. Simply set your GEM\_PATH environment variable. You can also redirect the binary location at install time. Some of the tools out there change the location of these things on purpose to allow you to setup different “environments”. Gems are better compared to \*nix packaging systems than to the GAC. They handle dependency loading, installation, versioning, etc. If you need the IronRuby folder in the “right” location, then require your users to use the installer with default options. However, even then, you are requiring your users to go through the greater issue of installing IronRuby and all of your required gems. You are also requiring them to keep up with your versions if you choose to update. I would expect people to include the IronRuby dll’s and the required ruby libraries with their application, just like they would do with .NET libraries. Then the setup isn’t a problem since it is only setting up the app. ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/33 "2010-01-25T20:47:19Z")
> > Seriously? If a developer isn’t comfortable with setting ENV variables > > what > > hope do they have to actually write decent code? Even visual studio has > > it’s > > own special command prompt runner (guess what, it’s a bat file, just > > like > > dev.bat) Can we move forward to solve the problem instead of mocking? ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/34 "2010-01-25T21:01:29Z")
Have you used the IronRuby installer? When I used it, it asked me for a directory and defaulted to Program Files. How is that different than the one-click Ruby installer? Ryan R. Email: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid LinkedIn: [http://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanriley](http://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanriley) Blog: [http://wizardsofsmart.net/](http://wizardsofsmart.net/) Twitter: @panesofglass Website: [http://panesofglass.org/](http://panesofglass.org/) ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/35 "2010-01-25T21:03:22Z")
Most people will use Program files then c"\IronRuby or c:\devtools\Ironruby. Consider this thread closed! ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/36 "2010-01-25T21:08:31Z")
rofl seriously? You don’t know when to call it quits do you. If you want to duplicate environments you just zip up your installation, copy it around, extract and add the location to the path (the last isn’t mandatory, because you can still use absolute paths, after all if you announce to developers where it needs to be then that’s where they need to extract it to). In this case everybody has the same gems and config. How is that worse than running an installer and requiring clicks? ## By the way your problem will go a way with the next version of the ironruby installer (remember that this is still in development). Met vriendelijke groeten - Best regards - Salutations Ivan Porto C. GSM: +32.486.787.582 Blog: [http://flanders.co.nz](http://flanders.co.nz) Twitter: [http://twitter.com/casualjim](http://twitter.com/casualjim) Author of IronRuby in Action ([IronRuby in Action - Ivan Porto Carrero and Adam Burmister | Manning](http://manning.com/carrero)) ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/37 "2010-01-25T21:12:37Z")
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Jim D. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > If you need the IronRuby folder in the “right” location, then require your > users to use the installer with default options. However, even then, you are > requiring your users to go through the greater issue of installing IronRuby > and all of your required gems. You are also requiring them to keep up with > your versions if you choose to update. I would expect people to include the > IronRuby dll’s and the required ruby libraries with their application, just > like they would do with .NET libraries. Then the setup isn’t a problem since > it is only setting up the app. Right. This isn’t .NET, so it shouldn’t behave like .NET. If developers are going to use Ruby, then they need to learn to use Ruby. You want to solve a problem, but I’m not seeing that a problem exists. The gem issue seems to be sorted soon with the dash\_s addition. Other problems, such as C extensions, are problems for any non-MRI / Ruby 1.9 implementation, and everyone is working on how to sort that out. IronRuby is still in development, and the team is doing a terrific job getting it there. You’re going to have to help people shift their expectations to get them onto IronRuby. I don’t expect (and don’t want) IronRuby to work like C# or [VB.NET](http://VB.NET) in Visual Studio. It’s a totally different animal altogether, which is what makes it so fun to use! So, what exactly is the problem you want to solve? And please don’t mention config settings (already an issue for other .NET libraries), ENV variables (already optional in MRI), or gem naming issues, as these aren’t related to IronRuby. Regards, Ryan ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/38 "2010-01-25T21:20:13Z")
Disagree. Try installing Ruby without the one click installer from source. Try using ruby without gem and rake installed. JD ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/39 "2010-01-25T21:15:13Z")
I was trying to make ironruby to perform code coverage for a .NET assembly using rcov but it seems like it is not currently supported yet… ---
**Author:** ![metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@metanoize](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/metanoize)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254/40 "2010-01-25T21:21:24Z")
## nope that’s right. Met vriendelijke groeten - Best regards - Salutations Ivan Porto C. Blog: [http://flanders.co.nz](http://flanders.co.nz) Twitter: [http://twitter.com/casualjim](http://twitter.com/casualjim) Author of IronRuby in Action ([IronRuby in Action - Ivan Porto Carrero and Adam Burmister | Manning](http://manning.com/carrero)) [Previous page](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254.md?page=1) [Next page](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/did-something-changed-again-in-spec/182254.md?page=3)