BARRIER - json, thin, eventmachine - do not install on windows

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2011/5/24 David M. [email protected]:

On Monday, May 23, 2011 05:35:26 AM Ilias L. wrote:

On 23 , 02:27, Johnny M. [email protected] wrote:
[…] - (off topic, off line, personal)

And of course I hope that there are still people on this group which
are professional enough to simply reply based on a given requirement,
instead of starting to discuss the requirement.

Originally I did not want to reply but I can’t leave this statement of
Ilias uncommented: basically this means “shut up and answer my
questions”. This is an insult to the complete community which is
trying to be helpful despite the reputation he has gained in the past.
That kind of attitude might work towards someone I am paying
(although even there it is bad style and not likely to improve the
outcome of the collaboration) but it is completely misguided towards a
community of volunteers who interact because of the fun or because
they like to discuss technical issues. Ilias, if you do not want to
discuss your requirement you don’t have to. But we are equally free
in the way we reply so please keep that in mind. It’s give and take
and communities like ours work only if there is a balance, giving more
than one takes usually works pretty well while the opposite doesn’t.

It would be unprofessional of me not to discuss a requirement with an actual
client who is actually paying me, so where does that leave you?

Exactly!

Kind regards

robert

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2011/5/23 David M. [email protected]:

well-defined enough to be a factual matter, then it is an opinion, and
opinions are not actionable – if it is merely our opinion that you are a
troll, it is also our right to express that opinion.

Well, all of this is approximately true of U.S. law (not quite though;
actual malice is only required in certain cases, though where it isn’t
at least actual or constructive knowledge of the falsity of the
statement is still required.) There are jurisdictions that have much
looser standards when it comes to defamation, (e.g., the UK), and
plenty of jurisdictions are willing to treat anything on the internet
as subject to their law no matter where it originated or where the
notional victim is located. So its almost impossible to say anything
on the internet without there being an arguable case that you’ve
broken some law somewhere on Earth where the jurisdiction might
plausibly be convinced to actually treat you as subject to its law if
a case where brought against you, but as long as its not a
jurisdiction in which you have vulnerable assets, are likely to seek
to do business or travel, or a jurisdiction with the will and capacity
to forcibly reach into foreign jurisdictions to enforce the law in
question, or with which a jurisdiction meeting one of those
descriptions is likely to cooperate in enforcing the law, it really
doesn’t matter all that much except in the theoretical sense.

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On 22 , 18:59, Ilias L. [email protected] wrote:

The 'eventmachine' native gem requires installed build tools.

"

for JSON there is a json_pure replacement (gem install json_pure).

is there any replacement for “eventmachine”?

Requirement:

installation without any (either manual or automatic) compilation
steps.

Subjecting JSON: fixed for ruby 1.9.3

(json library was already included within 1.9, but it was “hidden”
from the rubygems system)

.

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On Monday, May 23, 2011 05:35:26 AM Ilias L. wrote:

On 23 , 02:27, Johnny M. [email protected] wrote:
[…] - (off topic, off line, personal)

Mr. Morrice.

I hope you are aware that you have already crossed moral and legal
lines.

Unlikely.

Moral – When you ask a group of volunteers for help, you ask. You
don’t
demand, with “requirements”, and then refuse to read the responses
because
they’re “too complicated” without offering a single reason why. I would
actually consider it a moral obligation to point these things out, so
that
others don’t waste their time trying to engage you.

Legal – I’m calling your bluff. You can either claim that troll is
well-
defined enough that it is a factual claim, in which case, I think the
evidence
is against you – and even if you were able to show it to be false, for
it to
be slander, you would also have to show it to be malicious. If troll is
not
well-defined enough to be a factual matter, then it is an opinion, and
opinions are not actionable – if it is merely our opinion that you
are a
troll, it is also our right to express that opinion.

Legally, it’s more complicated than that, of course. But there’s also
the
Streissand Effect – if you do attempt to sue any of us because we
called you
a troll, you’re going to make headlines in any geek, Internet, or
developer-
oriented news sources. The fact that the readers Slashdot, Digg, Reddit,
Wired, etc would all know that you couldn’t handle someone calling you a
troll
would do far more damage to your reputation than anything we say here.

So please, don’t make legal threats. You know legal action over this
cannot
possibly end well for you. Since you are hopefully smart enough not to
pursue
such legal action, mentioning that it “crosses legal lines” is both
childish
and irrelevant.

I hope that the professionals within this group will intervene at some
point, if the “attacks” on my person continue.

What form would you expect that intervention to take? There have been
much
more heated flamewars, with much worse names than “troll” thrown around,
without people being banned from the list.

Or are you expecting people to speak out on your behalf? In that case,
it
would help if you did anything constructive, even something which would
benefit you: Read and understand the “complicated” advice, or ask us
questions
about it, and actually engage us, instead of:

And of course I hope that there are still people on this group which
are professional enough to simply reply based on a given requirement,
instead of starting to discuss the requirement.

It would be unprofessional of me not to discuss a requirement with an
actual
client who is actually paying me, so where does that leave you?

Consider: If the client wants a Java Web Start application which does
nothing
but open a web browser pointed at a Flash application which does nothing
but
grab XML over HTTP, pass it to a Silverlight app which applies an XSLT
transform to convert them to HTML, and finally render them in the
browser…

It would be unprofessional, immoral, and stupid to “simply reply” based
on
that requirement, let alone to actually build that nightmare. It would
be my
obligation as a developer, a professional, and a human being to at least
“discuss” it with the poor misguided user – try to talk them out of it,
or at
least figure out why they’re doing it that way instead of applying the
XSLT on
the server and serving plain HTML, or delivering the XML+XSLT to
supporting
browsers, or at the very least, using JavaScript to perform this task
rather
than three separate plugins.

Now consider your case. It would be unprofessional of me not to ask why
you
cannot have build tools, as this would be a trivial solution to your
problem
without requiring anyone to do anything to any existing gems.