# Bad list migration (Re: OT: gmail and google groups) **URL:** \ **Category:** Rails\ **Created:** [August 19, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-list-migration-re-ot-gmail-and-google-groups/65603 "2006-08-19T18:11:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/848f3c/32.png) [@Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Giles_B)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-list-migration-re-ot-gmail-and-google-groups/65603/1 "2006-08-19T18:11:10Z")
this list migration was incredibly annoying. it broke all my Gmail filters and dropped 50 messages in my inbox. I actually reported it to Google as abuse. On 8/19/06, Antonio C. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > ## Regards, Antonio > > [http://antoniocangiano.com](http://antoniocangiano.com) > > > – Giles B. [http://www.gilesgoatboy.org](http://www.gilesgoatboy.org) ---
**Author:** ![Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/848f3c/32.png) [@Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Giles_B)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 6:41pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-list-migration-re-ot-gmail-and-google-groups/65603/2 "2006-08-19T18:41:16Z")
Am Samstag, 19. August 2006 17:55 schrieb Giles B.: > this list migration was incredibly annoying. it broke all my > Gmail filters and dropped 50 messages in my inbox. I actually > reported it to Google as abuse. Sorry, but I use german to describe my thoughts: Schenkelklopfer!!! Was ein Spass. Es ist schon erstaunlich was für Leute sich hinter dem PC befinden…Puuuhhh!!! – Jochen ---
**Author:** ![Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/848f3c/32.png) [@Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Giles_B)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 6:41pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-list-migration-re-ot-gmail-and-google-groups/65603/3 "2006-08-19T18:41:16Z")
On 8/19/06, Giles B. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > this list migration was incredibly annoying. it broke all my Gmail > filters and dropped 50 messages in my inbox. I actually reported it to > Google as abuse. Lovely. Now we see that the Rails community is clearly separate from the Ruby community. People are immediately willing to assume the worst and act the asshole in front of thousands. Nicely done, Mr Bowkett. Nicely done. ## -austin Austin Z. \* removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid \* [http://www.halostatue.ca/](http://www.halostatue.ca/) \* removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid \* [You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. // halo • statue](http://www.halostatue.ca/feed/) \* removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid ---
**Author:** ![Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/848f3c/32.png) [@Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Giles_B)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 6:49pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-list-migration-re-ot-gmail-and-google-groups/65603/4 "2006-08-19T18:49:16Z")
Look, I like your PDF library, but I think your attitude is a little unrealistic. Spam is spam, whatever the intention. Whoever handled this list migration acted the asshole in front of thousands – not me. When I hit the Google Abuse button, I described this abuse as abuse due to incompetence, rather than abuse due to malice, using almost exactly those words, but abuse is abuse, and calling me names and swearing at me is hardly going to change that. In fact calling people names is not entirely unabusive, come to think of it. I didn’t assume the worst, either. I analyzed the situation, figured it out, and reported it as abuse. Expecting a busy man to shrug off spam due to incompetence? Calling him an asshole because he doesn’t? I don’t think that sort of thing happens in the Ruby community. Wasting my time with spam? That’s lame, sloppy, and inconsiderate. Whether due to malice or incompetence, it is abuse, so I reported it as such. And give me a break. Calling me names and swearing at me doesn’t exactly make you the nice guy. On 8/19/06, Austin Z. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Nicely done, Mr Bowkett. Nicely done. > > ## -austin > > Austin Z. \* removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid \* [http://www.halostatue.ca/](http://www.halostatue.ca/) > \* removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid \* [You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. // halo • statue](http://www.halostatue.ca/feed/) > \* removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid – Giles B. [http://www.gilesgoatboy.org](http://www.gilesgoatboy.org) ---
**Author:** ![Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/848f3c/32.png) [@Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Giles_B)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 7:17pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-list-migration-re-ot-gmail-and-google-groups/65603/5 "2006-08-19T19:17:18Z")
Am Samstag, 19. August 2006 18:24 schrieb Giles B.: > I didn’t assume the worst, either. I analyzed the situation, > > > On 8/19/06, Giles B. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > > > this list migration was incredibly annoying. it broke all my > > > Gmail filters and dropped 50 messages in my inbox. I actually > > > reported it to Google as abuse. Nothing more to say: [http://www.gissmoh.de/jup.jpg](http://www.gissmoh.de/jup.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/848f3c/32.png) [@Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Giles_B)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 7:45pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-list-migration-re-ot-gmail-and-google-groups/65603/6 "2006-08-19T19:45:22Z")
Since when is breaking your GMail filters considered abuse? Is it inconvenient? Yes. Could it have been handled better? Yes. Is it Abuse? I don’t think so. For those of us who filter by subject, doing something as simple as changing the list subject tag would have had the same effect. Would you consider that abuse too? - Scott On Aug 19, 2006, at 11:55 AM, Giles B. wrote: > > > > > – > Giles B. > [http://www.gilesgoatboy.org](http://www.gilesgoatboy.org) > > > * * * :: removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid :: [http://www.pixelfreak.net](http://www.pixelfreak.net) * * * :: We do not learn by experience, :: but by our capacity for experience * * * ---
**Author:** ![Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/848f3c/32.png) [@Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Giles_B)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 10:15pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-list-migration-re-ot-gmail-and-google-groups/65603/7 "2006-08-19T22:15:34Z")
This mailing list fiasco reminds me way too much of the security upgrade fiasco. To me it just shows poor judgment. Not even a posting to the list that it was going to happen. Not that these particular things affected me a whole lot, but it demonstrates very clearly a pattern that’s not very comforting. ---
**Author:** ![Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/848f3c/32.png) [@Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Giles_B)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 11:31pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-list-migration-re-ot-gmail-and-google-groups/65603/8 "2006-08-19T23:31:45Z")
snacktime wrote: > This mailing list fiasco reminds me way too much of the security > upgrade fiasco. To me it just shows poor judgment. Not even a > posting to the list that it was going to happen. Not that these > particular things affected me a whole lot, but it demonstrates very > clearly a pattern that’s not very comforting. Fiasco is the word. I’ll admit that in my other post my temper got the best of me, but this simple task of migrating a mailing list was handled in a slovenly manner. I don’t even read this list, except very occasionally, because a lot of the posts are just newbies asking extremely basic questions. It all gets filtered to a label. I like filtering, a lot. Before today, the last time I had more than 12 messages in my Inbox at once was 2004. I REALLY don’t appreciate being spammed. I think this is actually a fairly universal sentiment. It would have been so easy for this to have been handled in a professional manner. All you do is post to the list that you’re moving the list. That’s it and that’s all. It’s simple. It’s easy. It isn’t even a big deal necessarily – but there’s obviously no excuse for getting something this simple that wrong. And I hate to say it, but whoever posted that this slovenly fiasco was indicative of a “quick and dirty” mindset in the Rails community was absolutely right. You should use Rails because you don’t want to write SQL – not because you don’t know how. This is why I stopped reading this stupid list in the first place – this flat-out DISGUSTING shortcuts mentality. It just turns my stomach. Like when the Prag Progs did v2 of their Rails book and everybody demanded a discount. I admit that maybe it was overkill for me to say that whoever handled this thing should be slapped, but you know what? Maybe they should. Not necessarily hard, not necessarily in the face, but maybe somewhere, with some degree of force. Certainly they should be made aware that the way they handled this extraordinarily straightforward task fell below the minimum standards that some people hold. I am one of those people, and if you don’t like it, you can just deal. The mature among you will deal in certain ways. Others will post photographs of vomit. I am sure that seems appropriate to some of you. Go ahead. Knock yourselves out. But can you really blame me for not wanting to have pictures of vomit being sent unsolicited to my Inbox? Giles ---
**Author:** ![Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/848f3c/32.png) [@Giles\_B](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/Giles_B)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 8:21pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-list-migration-re-ot-gmail-and-google-groups/65603/9 "2006-08-19T20:21:26Z")
Am Samstag, 19. August 2006 18:51 schrieb Jochen K.: > Nothing more to say: > > [http://www.gissmoh.de/jup.jpg](http://www.gissmoh.de/jup.jpg) very interesting thing! I got 170 visits - and ONLY ONE directly from a browser showing a google groups window!!! .SPETSNAZ.