# Bad for Ruby in RUBY **URL:** \ **Category:** Ruby\ **Created:** [August 24, 2006, 4:26pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-for-ruby-in-ruby/66290 "2006-08-24T16:26:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/9de053/32.png) [@bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/bitsmith)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 4:26pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-for-ruby-in-ruby/66290/1 "2006-08-24T16:26:11Z")
…in the topic today Ruby in Ruby…talk about a hacking game using Ruby… **DANGER** \* while a laud the game engine effort…BUT…to us business types trying to integrate this beautiful language swimming against NIH (not invented Here Syndrome) and MANY other prejudices…ANYthing the smells of Hack-idom will end any crusade for this language… and i refer also to the movie Mattew Broaderik’s WAR GAMES… ---
**Author:** ![bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/9de053/32.png) [@bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/bitsmith)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-for-ruby-in-ruby/66290/2 "2006-08-24T17:58:26Z")
Dave R. wrote: > prejudices…ANYthing the smells of Hack-idom will end any crusade for > this language… and i refer also to the movie Mattew Broaderik’s WAR > GAMES… I have to totally disagree with that. As far as going mainstream, nothing helps as well as publicity. Good or bad. There will be an initial ‘if you code in Ruby you must be a terrorist’ phase, but then millions will defend that with ‘it’s just a tool’ and negate any bad press while providing even more good press. The usefulness of ASM and C for hacking has never hurt the popularity of those languages even a little bit. There’s no reason to think it’ll happen here. And you’re forgetting something… It’s just a GAME. Not even a unique one. As was stated, this has been done several times in several languages. I’m dying to see how he gets around Ruby’s flexibility and preventing someone from totally hacking the system right off, without destroying that same flexibility and making the exercise worthless. ---
**Author:** ![bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/9de053/32.png) [@bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/bitsmith)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:08pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-for-ruby-in-ruby/66290/3 "2006-08-24T18:08:25Z")
On 8/24/06, Dave R. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > – > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/](http://www.ruby-forum.com/). > > Hmm I fail to share your POV, but just for the sake of argument let us > assume I shared it. What could we do about it? This is a free ML, the game is a great idea and if that harms Ruby than that is kind of tough luck. But fortunately I think you are wrong, 1st there must be as many associations with bad words for about all languages; that one I am quite sure about 2nd I think that you overevaluate the impact of this ML to that kind of people; that one I might change my POV about if more informtation can be given. Cheers Robert – Deux choses sont infinies : l’univers et la bêtise humaine ; en ce qui concerne l’univers, je n’en ai pas acquis la certitude absolue. - Albert Einstein ---
**Author:** ![bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/9de053/32.png) [@bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/bitsmith)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 7:14pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-for-ruby-in-ruby/66290/4 "2006-08-24T19:14:38Z")
Dave R. wrote: > > > > game… We aren’t competing. This isn’t a business. -Justin ---
**Author:** ![bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/9de053/32.png) [@bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/bitsmith)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 7:07pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-for-ruby-in-ruby/66290/5 "2006-08-24T19:07:15Z")
Robert D. wrote: > On 8/24/06, Dave R. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > – > > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/](http://www.ruby-forum.com/). > > > > Hmm I fail to share your POV, but just for the sake of argument let us > > assume I shared it. > > just let me paraphrase a wall street journal article that i read a long > > time ago on how executive decisions are made… > > two equally qualified executive candidates were given the opportunity to > > sample an ice bowl with touthpick stuck shrimp meat…the one who > > sampled the shrimp palm up squeezing the toothpick between his fingers > > got the job… this was MS.Manner’s way of doing… Even though this had > > nothing to do with the job …APPEARANCE…does count sometimes more > > than logic does (and i have read Bruce Tate’s book from JAVA 2 > > Ruby)…Remember we are competing with the Warm Safe Java womb …i > > don’t recall EVER that JAVA in it’s formative year being a hackers > > game… ---
**Author:** ![bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/9de053/32.png) [@bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/bitsmith)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 7:16pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-for-ruby-in-ruby/66290/6 "2006-08-24T19:16:38Z")
On 8/24/06, Dave R. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > Ruby)…Remember we are competing with the Warm Safe Java womb …i > don’t recall EVER that JAVA in it’s formative year being a hackers > game… Um…ok. I guess that’s why C and Perl never made it big… Jake ---
**Author:** ![bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/9de053/32.png) [@bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/bitsmith)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 7:25pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-for-ruby-in-ruby/66290/7 "2006-08-24T19:25:38Z")
Jake C. wrote: > On 8/24/06, Dave R. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > Ruby)…Remember we are competing with the Warm Safe Java womb …i > > don’t recall EVER that JAVA in it’s formative year being a hackers > > game… > > Um…ok. > > I guess that’s why C and Perl never made it big… > > Jake …we are competing for mindshare … and C & Perl had different competing environments… they’re nich weren’t mature with other alternatives having bigger mindshares… C was an ATT freeware given to Academics… and Perl was Unix/Linx world back then when most of these weren’t in biz critical missions… ---
**Author:** ![bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/9de053/32.png) [@bitsmith](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/bitsmith)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 10:49pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/bad-for-ruby-in-ruby/66290/8 "2006-08-24T22:49:15Z")
On 8/24/06, Dave R. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: > > > > – > Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/](http://www.ruby-forum.com/). ok but where would you put Ruby then? I daresay it is not in any niche close to what I understand you think it is, but I would love to learn more about it. For me Ruby is not competing for business (yet). I have the impression that some members of this ML share that opinion. We prefer Ruby to be good and then succesfull, potentially, and not to be succesfull and then bad because of Business Constraints. We are in an Open Source Environement after all. That said of course I would hate that it gets a bad reputation and I would be as concerned as you are if I interpreted things your way. I do not and I am happy, but I am aware that often the Happy One is happy from Ignorance. Cheers Robert – Deux choses sont infinies : l’univers et la bêtise humaine ; en ce qui concerne l’univers, je n’en ai pas acquis la certitude absolue. - Albert Einstein