# B. S. essential **URL:** \ **Category:** Rails\ **Created:** [May 29, 2010, 9:52am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/b-s-essential/189347 "2010-05-29T09:52:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![scuptor\_of\_clouds](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@scuptor\_of\_clouds](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/scuptor_of_clouds)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2010, 9:52am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/b-s-essential/189347/1 "2010-05-29T09:52:35Z")
B. S. essential. If that rang up as ‘bubble sort’ or better still Bjarne Stroustrup, then read on. We are looking for a funny, intuitive, out-of-the box thinker and risk- taker…Ruby expertise would be good too. Most importantly, you can read our functional requirements, understand how these need to be presented to the user, then throw out our 75-page SRS and let your imagination take over. We are a small, NYC-based organization that needs you to design and build our online exchange. We see the world very differently and hope to portray that in everything we do…. from an intuitive, user-friendly site, its fantastic front-end design by a freelance designer (who doesn’t work for the man) to its unique function that will reduce pollution. Join us and let’s partner to make this happen. You will not work for us remotely…but may work with us from anywhere in the world. We love small, independent developers and would prefer to work with them directly. Agents, headhunters, “project managers”, consultants, and anyone planning on getting rich, off someone else’s work, more power to you, but please excuse. We hope to have this prototype done by Aug15, 2010, tested and ready for transactions by Oct 15. Our budget for this is $3k and we are estimating a total 125 – 150 hours. We will move onto designing the full site immediately thereafter, so it’s important that you care about what we are hoping to do and see us as your partner. P. S. redundant stuff that is probably worth mentioning, knowledge of query design (via SQL/Rails), REST, SOAP and some basic stuff: relational databases, Javascript, xhtml. We hope you are not so jaded to see this fun and thoughtful posting as a scam. ---
**Author:** ![scuptor\_of\_clouds](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@scuptor\_of\_clouds](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/scuptor_of_clouds)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2010, 2:33pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/b-s-essential/189347/2 "2010-05-29T14:33:46Z")
scuptor of clouds wrote: > B. S. essential. Good, because it appears that this posting contains a lot of it. 😃 I understand that you wanted to do an out-of-the-box job posting, but this doesn’t seem to give much info about what you’re really looking for… > If that rang up as �bubble sort� or better still > Bjarne Stroustrup, then read on. So…you’re looking for a C++ algorithm guru? Why post here, then? > We are looking for a funny, intuitive, out-of-the box thinker and risk- > taker�Ruby expertise would be good too. Most importantly, you can > read our functional requirements, understand how these need to be > presented to the user, then throw out our 75-page SRS and let your > imagination take over. So why do you have the 75-page SRS if you want it thrown out? > We are a small, NYC-based organization that needs you to design and > build our online exchange. We see the world very differently and hope > to portray that in everything we do�. from an intuitive, user-friendly > site, its fantastic front-end design by a freelance designer (who > doesn�t work for the man) Er…what difference does it make if your designer “work[s] for the man”? I understand idealism, but this I don’t get. > to its unique function that will reduce > pollution. That part sounds good. > Join us and let�s partner to make this happen. You will not work for > us remotely�but may work with us from anywhere in the world. So if you’re in NYC and I’m working with you from elsewhere, how is that _not_ working remotely? > We love > small, independent developers and would prefer to work with them > directly. Agents, headhunters, �project managers�, consultants, and > anyone planning on getting rich, off someone else�s work, more power > to you, but please excuse. “Please excuse”? What does that mean? > We hope to have this prototype done by > Aug15, 2010, tested and ready for transactions by Oct 15. Our budget > for this is $3k and we are estimating a total 125 � 150 hours. You want a rockstar Rails developer in NYC for $20/hour? You want this all done in 3-4 weeks?!? Riiiiiiiight. > We > will move onto designing the full site immediately thereafter, so it�s > important that you care about what we are hoping to do and see us as > your partner. > > P. S. redundant stuff that is probably worth mentioning, knowledge of > query design (via SQL/Rails), REST, SOAP and some basic stuff: > relational databases, Javascript, xhtml. How is mentioning technical skis redundant? > We hope you are not so jaded to see this fun and thoughtful posting as > a scam. I don’t think it’s a scam (or at least I didn’t until you pointed out that it could be). I _do_ think that the job posting is unclear and that you are expecting to get this done in an unrealistically short amount of dev time on an unrealistically low budget. Good luck. ## Best, Marnen Laibow-Koser [http://www.marnen.org](http://www.marnen.org) removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid ---
**Author:** ![scuptor\_of\_clouds](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@scuptor\_of\_clouds](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/scuptor_of_clouds)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/b-s-essential/189347/3 "2010-05-29T18:23:32Z")
Marnen, Sorry that we could not provide more info…crazy thing called liability. The Bjarne Stroustrup initials were meant only to illustrate that B. S. does not always stand for Bachelor of Science. Again, throwing out the SRS was not meant literally…a given set of functions can be designed in multiple ways, right? There are still some islands of idealism in the world that, when married with capitalism have very different results from traditional business models - if you don’t get this, this is perhaps not for you. Glad you agree that reducing pollution sounds good (and not just idealism). There is a world of difference in ‘working for someone and with someone.’…again the difference though subtle in its construction is quite profound in principle. Yes, working remotely is what we are looking for…in this partnership. Please excuse - means please don’t bother submitting if you are not working on this project directly in some capacity. Here, we are completely wrong and want to acknowledge your insight…a rockstar RoR developer will be able to get this done in substantially less than 100 hrs. Be that as it may, we are glad to discuss more appropriate compensation. The schedule is still valid and 100 hrs. b/w 6/15 and 8/15 is what we are looking for… I read a lot of posts on this forum and gathered from the slightly more insightful developers that query design, relational databasing, REST, SOAP is implicit when you are talking to a RoR expert. If I have misunderstood this - I stand corrected. If you are still not convinced that this is not a scam, then, I am sorry for wasting your time. As mentioned above, the budget is perhaps too low, and we are happy to discuss something more commensurate with the effort.