# Asp.Net MVC .... V/S... IronRuby On Rails **URL:** \ **Category:** IronRuby\ **Created:** [February 25, 2008, 8:16am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/asp-net-mvc-v-s-ironruby-on-rails/130077 "2008-02-25T08:16:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![webreservoir](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/e480ec/32.png) [@webreservoir](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/webreservoir)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 8:16am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/asp-net-mvc-v-s-ironruby-on-rails/130077/1 "2008-02-25T08:16:43Z")
Hello, ( Please note all this discussion below is about [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC with IronRuby only.) I just finished reading the first chapter on [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC in Action by [www.manning.com](http://www.manning.com). It seems [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC is inspired a lot by Ruby on Rails… And the Major interesting thing is Microsoft has improved a lot over this, offering some great advantages that ROR lacks. I think… It would be wise to go with [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC with IronRuby… rather than going for IronRuby on Rails… since MS will constantly make efforts to improve upon MVC framework… Plus the advantages of calling other languages with the DLR support, Great Community Support… and many other plus points can be added here… Just wondering and would like to know… what others are thinking in this terms Thanks ---
**Author:** ![webreservoir](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/e480ec/32.png) [@webreservoir](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/webreservoir)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 8:33am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/asp-net-mvc-v-s-ironruby-on-rails/130077/2 "2008-02-25T08:33:21Z")
Hi… Just missed to mention few great VIEW support by MVC Team [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC View… [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC Master Pages… [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC View UserControl [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC View Content Page All this, makes us smile. Just wishing to get ActiveRecord support with MVC, making my dream come true. ---
**Author:** ![webreservoir](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/e480ec/32.png) [@webreservoir](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/webreservoir)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 8:46am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/asp-net-mvc-v-s-ironruby-on-rails/130077/3 "2008-02-25T08:46:03Z")
Oops! You snatched my dreams. I think… [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC with IronRuby is going to give Ruby on rails a very very tough competition. I think… we are the winners. You just missed to mention, SilverLight Support with MVC… which i will add it for you I hope, IronRuby Beta comes along with [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC beta ---
**Author:** ![webreservoir](https://www.ruby-forum.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/e480ec/32.png) [@webreservoir](https://www.ruby-forum.com/u/webreservoir)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 9:59am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/asp-net-mvc-v-s-ironruby-on-rails/130077/4 "2008-02-25T09:59:46Z")
Making both Rails and MVC work with IronRuby (and the other DLR languages) is the right thing to do, since freedom and choice with the Microsoft platform is what we’re all about. So if someone want to use IronRuby on Rails or IronRuby on [ASP.NET](http://ASP.NET) MVC, they should be able to. That being said, IronRuby on Rails will basically work as a byproduct of supporting all the Ruby languages features, as Rails is simply a big Ruby app. Other parts of the Rails stack that are even partially implemented in C (mongrel, database adapters, etc) will have to be re-implemented in C#. [ASP.NET](http://ASP.NET) MVC has plenty of benefits over Ruby on Rails, except the fact that you can use Ruby with ROR. =P However, having [ASP.NET](http://ASP.NET) MVC gives you a better scalability story w/IIS + SQL server, and Rails is hurting in that respect. Don’t get me wrong, I love Rails, but I’ve had to deal with a lot of pain at getting Rails to scale up (not impossible, just harder than it needs to be); this is where we can improve on Rails. Now for the good stuff: I’ve been prototyping things w/IronRuby + MVC, and we’ve had conversations with the MVC team about support DLR languages. Scott Hanselman did a talk at [Alt.NET](http://Alt.NET) about some early work getting IronPython working with a VERY early version of MVC here: [http://www.hanselman.com/silverlight/ScottHaAtAltNetConf/](http://www.hanselman.com/silverlight/ScottHaAtAltNetConf/). However, since we’re all busy people, we’re focusing on just getting the DLR+languages working, as keeping in two fast moving project in-sync is asking for trouble. =) For more substance, here are the things we need to care about to make DLR languages work w/MVC: 1. DLR languages in Controllers: 2. DLR languages in aspx/asmx pages for Views and Routing: 3. DLR languages in Models: Again, all these things have been only prototypes/samples simply because the DLR is moving so fast, and it makes sense to really start making things work when it begins to stabilize (which is beginning to happen). Keep in mind, a MVC preview is currently released @ [Download .NET (Linux, macOS, and Windows)](http://www.asp.net/downloads/3.5-extensions/), so you can experiment with integrating w/the DLR yourself … though I warn you, it won’t be easy. =P The fact that it is so hard is definitely an issue at a higher level (parity between all languages is hard), and that’s another issue people are working on. ~Jimmy On 2/24/08 11:16 PM, “Web R.” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: Hello, ( Please note all this discussion below is about [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC with IronRuby only.) I just finished reading the first chapter on [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC in Action by [www.manning.com](http://www.manning.com). It seems [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC is inspired a lot by Ruby on Rails… And the Major interesting thing is Microsoft has improved a lot over this, offering some great advantages that ROR lacks. I think… It would be wise to go with [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC with IronRuby… rather than going for IronRuby on Rails… since MS will constantly make efforts to improve upon MVC framework… Plus the advantages of calling other languages with the DLR support, Great Community Support… and many other plus points can be added here… Just wondering and would like to know… what others are thinking in this terms ## Thanks Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/](http://www.ruby-forum.com/). * * * Ironruby-core mailing list removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid [http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core](http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core) On 2/24/08 11:16 PM, “Web R.” [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote: Hello, ( Please note all this discussion below is about [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC with IronRuby only.) I just finished reading the first chapter on [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC in Action by [www.manning.com](http://www.manning.com). It seems [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC is inspired a lot by Ruby on Rails… And the Major interesting thing is Microsoft has improved a lot over this, offering some great advantages that ROR lacks. I think… It would be wise to go with [Asp.Net](http://Asp.Net) MVC with IronRuby… rather than going for IronRuby on Rails… since MS will constantly make efforts to improve upon MVC framework… Plus the advantages of calling other languages with the DLR support, Great Community Support… and many other plus points can be added here… Just wondering and would like to know… what others are thinking in this terms ## Thanks Posted via [http://www.ruby-forum.com/](http://www.ruby-forum.com/).