Do most others in the community agree with this statement? It seems to me that i18n is: 1. Actually important to many people 2. Not really the difficult to implement in concept 3. Something that people like to point out about Rails to say it's not ready foir "Enterprise" It seems to be that a big part of Rails is encouraging people to do things the "Right Way", yet none of the Rails books/articles I have read (AWDwR, Rails Recipes, etc.) even discuss how to do i18n, let alone encourage it. Why?
on 03.05.2006 19:02
on 03.05.2006 19:02
In my opinion Globalize has this covered, at least until m17n support rolls out with Ruby 2.0. http://www.globalize-rails.org/wiki/
on 03.05.2006 19:02
On 5/2/06, Paul Barry <mail@paulbarry.com> wrote: > Rails Recipes, etc.) even discuss how to do i18n, let alone encourage it. > Why? My point was that compared to the number of people who read this list, its a relatively small number who actually know enough about i18n with Rails to answer his questions faster than he answered them himself. I agree with what you're saying here. -- James
on 11.05.2006 18:03
In http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/RailsLocalization someone did ask *the* question again: What is the current best solution for I18N? I did add these links to that very same page: Gloablize (http://wiki.globalize-rails.org/wiki/) Localize (http://dev.rubyonrails.org/svn/rails/plugins/localization/README) GLoc (http://rubyforge.org/projects/gloc/) Multilingual (https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/multi_lingual_rails/trac.cgi/) A very brief feature comparision for the first three plugins is listed here: http://www.agilewebdevelopment.com/plugins/category/8 And then there's the old important thread from end of last year ("Rails core going multiligual...ever?"): http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/184 BTW - Where's the place to DRY up all this information and keep it up to date?
on 11.05.2006 18:39
Hi,
i18n means:
(1) Message Catalogs (Translate strings)
(2) Formatting Date, Time, Currency and others.
(3) String handling
Now, I mention (1) because this discussion about (1).
IMO, the most important things for (1) are:
(a) Maintenance-ability
* Extract strings from .rb/rhtml/ActiveRecord to a file
automatically.
* Merge the old(translated) file and new one easily.
(b) Multi-textdomains
* Rails, Rails application, Plugins, Other libraries
should have their own message catalogs.
(c) Plural/Singler messages
(d) Auto finding client locale correctly
(e) Translate Rails messages
Now, Ruby-GetText-Package has already supported all of important these
features.
I checked other localized libraries/plugins, but they haven't have
enough features yet.
And it's already supported 11 languages for Rails.
http://www.yotabanana.com/hiki/ruby-gettext-screenshot.html
# Of course, usually I welcome other language translators.
So, I highly recommand to try Ruby-GetText-Package once.
There is a tutorial for Ruby on Rails and Ruby-GetText-Package.
http://www.yotabanana.com/hiki/ruby-gettext-howto-rails.html
HTH,
On Tue, 2 May 2006 17:15:51 -0400
on 11.05.2006 20:15
I'd be most grateful if you wiki'd this. As well, it may be appropriate to set up a list specifically for these issues since many on this list don't care/need these features. i'd be happy to join. i for one drown in traffic from this list and probably miss half the mail i should read despite browsing it regularly. pt. On 5/11/06, Martin Bernd Schmeil <bschmeil@autoscout24.com> wrote: > (https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/multi_lingual_rails/trac.cgi/) > > > > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > -- Parker Thompson http://www.parkert.com/ 510.541.0125
on 12.05.2006 10:03
Thanks for the answers. Since I have to make a decision either for a plugin or as someone (more experienced in this field) recommended to re-invent the wheel using a gettext approach, I'll do some evaluation and put the results somewhere. Since my time is limited (we need a decision ASAP) I'll probably just scratch the evaluation of the option. Anyways, I hope we can start a discussion and a separate forum / mailing list is a good idea (at least for us 5.7 billion non US Rails people ;-) ).
on 12.05.2006 10:53
Two things: I asked Andreas, the Forum (Email Gateway) Maintainer to create a Mailing List / Forum (no answer yet) I created a Rails Wiki page: http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/InternationalizationComparision Don't know how far I can contribute, one of our requirements is to use Oracle, so Globalize (and maybe all other plugins) may not do it for us.
on 12.05.2006 12:05
I am also very interested in localization, This goes for database content, rhtml-content (including names of columns of tables), mail-content etc. All that is shown to the user. In my experience table names, and table column names in the database are best done in english. In the nearly 20 years I have been involved with developing database solutions I have never had a database with swedish names of tables and fields. This is also because it you some day want to distribute your solution abroad, you wouldn´t want the names to be in Swedish anyway. When Rails uses "column.human_name", I would like to be able to choose another language (Swedish). Now I get the database english names. To me 'human_name' is not what the database columns are called, they are rarely human name at all, since different customers of ours call the same object by different names in their context. To us developers it is the same, but not to the cusomers. So a feature with Meta-names of the columns would be a nice feature. (Crystal Reports Server that we use for reporting has this: a layer of Meta names (human names) that are used in customer interaction, but the database names are something else. SO I would like a clean separation of what is shown in the view, from what things are called in the model. Per-Olof Hermansson PS I am new to RoR, Just been reading up till now, and just started to do some experimentary solutions on my desktop,
on 12.05.2006 18:53
Hi, On Fri, 12 May 2006 12:05:21 +0200 Per-Olof Hermansson <per-olof.hermansson@massmarketing.se> wrote: > This is also because it you some day want to distribute your solution > (Crystal Reports Server that we use for reporting has this: a layer of > Meta names (human names) that are used in customer interaction, but the > database names are something else. > > SO I would like a clean separation of what is shown in the view, from > what things are called in the model. Already Ruby-GetText-Package supports ActiveRecord translation. (It overrides column.human_name as you think.) The table/column names are extracted as the target messages. And they are translated correctly .... you don't need to touch your models by hand. As you say, sometimes the table/column names are not human readable. Ruby-GetText-Package can use for English people to translate table/column names to human readable name. Anyway, I recommand you try Ruby-GetText-Package once. Installation: http://www.yotabanana.com/hiki/ruby-gettext.html#Install HOWTO for Ruby on Rails: http://www.yotabanana.com/hiki/ruby-gettext-howto-rails.html HTH,
on 12.05.2006 19:59
Masao Mutoh wrote: > > Anyway, I recommand you try Ruby-GetText-Package once. > > Installation: > http://www.yotabanana.com/hiki/ruby-gettext.html#Install > HOWTO for Ruby on Rails: > http://www.yotabanana.com/hiki/ruby-gettext-howto-rails.html > > HTH, Thanks, I´ll have a look, Per-Olof
on 14.05.2006 10:41
Hi all, please have a look at this posting in the new rails internationalization mailing list http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/65659
on 23.07.2006 21:34
Guys, I've been struggling with a similar, but simpler problem. I just want to be able to CRUD Swedish characters in Oracle 10g tables. I know I've got the Oracle end set up properly since I can enter, retrieve and display these characters from isqlplus, but when I use a RoR generated web form I get "?" stored in my tables. If you've work out how to do this, I'd be very grateful if you would tell me how you did this. Before I'd found this tread, I posted a few times and got some good input back, but nothing got me quite to where I need to be. Bealach
on 24.07.2006 10:17
Please look at this page und the references on it (especially the I18n mailing list / forum): http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/InternationalizationComparison Your problem may or may not be related to either setting the - http header to the correct mime type / encoding - having a wrong oracle server or client setting