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Ezra Nugroho (Guest)
on 2005-12-12 11:30
Guys,

Spikesource has crafted a LAMP + RoR stack for Fedora Core 3, and we
would love to share it with others. This stack makes RoR installation a
breeze.
http://developer.spikesource.com/projects/railsonspike

We would love to promote it in the rails wiki page, but I want to
consult with the web owner first. Anyone know who should be contacted?
Or would you guys suggest me to just edit the wiki page?


Thanks guys,
Love to hear your feedback!

Ezra Nugroho
http://developer.spikesource.com
Jan P. (Guest)
on 2005-12-12 13:11
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Hi, Ezra,

I'm none of the guys who has the right to suggest anything regarding
rubyonrails-sites but imho this is what wiki is all about. If anyone is
offended by a contribution he might delete or edit the page. Just go
on...

regards
Jan
Ezra Z. (Guest)
on 2005-12-12 17:36
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On Dec 12, 2005, at 1:30 AM, Ezra Nugroho wrote:

> Or would you guys suggest me to just edit the wiki page?
>
>
> Thanks guys,
> Love to hear your feedback!
>
> Ezra Nugroho
> http://developer.spikesource.com

Hey Ezra-

	Wow another Ezra on the list ;-) Anyway, yes please add a wiki page.
The rails wiki is there for the community so please just go ahead and
add your page. I think people will find your project very useful.

Cheers-
-Ezra Z.
WebMaster
Yakima Herald-Republic Newspaper
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509-577-7732
Kevin B. (Guest)
on 2005-12-12 18:09
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Quoting Ezra Z. <removed_email_address@domain.invalid>:

>
> On Dec 12, 2005, at 1:30 AM, Ezra Nugroho wrote:
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > Spikesource has crafted a LAMP + RoR stack for Fedora Core 3, and we
> > would love to share it with others. This stack makes RoR
> > installation a
> > breeze.
> > http://developer.spikesource.com/projects/railsonspike

Thanks! This is a cool project. Having spikesource involved should help
ROR get
traction in the big companies.

Here are a few comments/concerns:

I found it hard to figure out what's in the package. It seems like it
has a JDK
in it as well - is there any way the site page could specify what's in
the
bundle?

Also, are you creating your own set of tests, or using those out in the
community already? Are you planning on contributing your tests to the
set of
test the ror developers already use?

Regarding use of the Open Software License. While I agree it's a good
license
for copyleft types of projects, it should be clarified whether or not
incorporation of any of your work into rails directly is possible
without
releasing rails under the OSL as well. The OSL is incompatible with the
current
rails license (MIT license).

Is there any way to dual-license your work so that it is also licensed
under the
same license as rails is (i.e., the MIT license)? That way, combining
code is
seamless. The MIT license is not copyleft and grants essentially
unrestricted
open- or closed-source usage rights.

Of all these things, I think that releasing your work under a "copyleft"
license
that's incompatible with rails may be the biggest problem. Can you
address this?

The Academic Free License (Larry Rosen's other major OSI-approved
license) is
actually much closer in spirit to the existing rails license. Of course,
the
MIT license is also OSI-approved and is much more widely used.

It should probably be noted the way you've licensed your bundle, you are
free to
take whatever you want from rails, but rails can't include your code
without
performing licensing gymnastics - this doesn't seem fair to me. Do you
agree
with this? Is there something I'm not seeing?

-kevin
Ezra Nugroho (Guest)
on 2005-12-12 23:40
Kevin,

This is the best that I know regarding your questions.

> Here are a few comments/concerns:
>
> I found it hard to figure out what's in the package. It seems like it
> has a JDK
> in it as well - is there any way the site page could specify what's in
> the
> bundle?

Yes, a jvm is necessary for our "glue" that integrates all the
components in the stack. For more information on what is in the stack,
please visit our documentation in
http://www.spikesource.com/products/corestack.html

> Also, are you creating your own set of tests, or using those out in the
> community already? Are you planning on contributing your tests to the
> set of
> test the ror developers already use?

This is not our commercial product, we didn't write any extra tests for
RoR. If this we decide to support the RoR stack in the future, we will
be writting more tests. Until then, we don't have additional code to
share.


> Regarding use of the Open Software License. While I agree it's a good
> license
> for copyleft types of projects, it should be clarified whether or not
> incorporation of any of your work into rails directly is possible
> without
> releasing rails under the OSL as well. The OSL is incompatible with the
> current
> rails license (MIT license).
 ( snipped...)
>
> Is there something I'm not seeing?

This stack is an integrated single click package. We did not change most
components that is in it. For this one, RoR was not altered. Components
carry their original licenses. Our "glue" is licensed under OSL. Please
visit this page for more info:
http://www.spikesource.com/technology/license.html.

I hope this is clear. I welcome further comments or concerns that you
guys have.
If there isn't any other concerns, I'd post this in the wiki page.

Ezra Nugroho
http://developer.spikesource.com
Kevin B. (Guest)
on 2005-12-13 17:35
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Thanks Ezra - Your answers were very clear.

I appreciate the effort that Spike is putting behind RoR.

-kevin
Ezra Nugroho <> (Guest)
on 2005-12-13 19:53
Kevin B. wrote:
> Thanks Ezra - Your answers were very clear.
>
> I appreciate the effort that Spike is putting behind RoR.
>
> -kevin



Thank you guys!
I have posted the link in here
http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/GettingSta...
Feel free to edit the text if you want to.
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