Forum: Ruby RE: Ruby command line options s and S

Dude!

SPEND SOME DAMNED TIME READING SOME DOCUMENTATION!

Get a book on Ruby, READ IT, PRACTICE! Youre nickel and diming the 
mailing
list over and over again.

Go to http://codecademy.com/tracks/ruby and actually spend some time
LEARNING Ruby! Spend some time working through 
http://iwanttolearnruby.comand
http://tryruby.org and http://rubykoans.com. Spend some ACTUAL time
LEARNING! Work through their problems, work in irb. Practice, Practice,
Practice. Take some time to do Critical Thinking! Critical Thinking 
means
taking time to UNDERSTAND what it is youre doing, asking yourself OK, if
I do this, what do I expect it to do and what is it actually doing? Why
would it do that? What command or commands is it breaking on, if any? 
What
could possibly cause it to do that?

Rather than having US answer every single solitary question that runs
through that brain of yours, how about spending some time THINKING about
what is going on, and doing some actual GOOGLING!

You are constantly filling up everyones inbox with nitpicky questions
because youre not taking the time to THINK! And on top of that, youre
ignoring everyone on the list that has suggested you do EXACTLY what *I* 
am
telling you. Its starting to smell like youre either trolling, or 
thinking
we are your personal tech support for every little friggin detail.

ENOUGH! EDUCATE YOURSELF! Spend some time digging and practicing and
learning. NOT stopping and freaking out every time some little thing
doesnt work absolutely perfectly the first damned time!

--
D. Deryl Downey

 "The bug which you would fright me with I seek" - William Shakespeare -
The Winter's Tale, Act III, Scene II - A court of Justice.

 *From:* Love U Ruby <lists@ruby-forum.com>
*Sent:* February 13, 2013 3:13 PM
*To:* ruby-talk ML <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
*Subject:* Re: Ruby command line options s and S

>
> giving error as "ruby: No such file or directory --
> commandoptionstest.rb (LoadError)"

It is "test.rb" not "commandoptionstest.rb". By mistake I wrote that
name.

Humm!

Nice advice you have given to me. But When people would get stuck, then
they could ask for help - in this mailing list. Is not it?


People who are experienced they must met with the things that I am now
meeting. So they might have way out they used. Now to know that and get
start from the next level I used this forum. So what bad I did?


To a ruby expert people I am asking some Rubyist question- that's all. 
If
someone has knowledge already then why is it problematic to share?

Thanks

The general expectation of lists like this, where people try and help 
each other out, for free, is that you try and work things out for 
yourself first. You investigate the problem you are encountering, google 
it, read a book, whatever before you ask on a mailing list. From what 
I've seen since coming back on this list is that you ask whatever comes 
into your head first without taking the time to think about it or 
research it.
From the level of question you've been asking I do think you need to 
spend some time reading and learning. D.Deryl Downey provided you with 
some great links, as have others, so why not use them ?

cheers,
Tony.

Tony Headford wrote in post #1096848:
> The general expectation of lists like this, where people try and help
> each other out, for free, is that you try and work things out for
> yourself first. You investigate the problem you are encountering, google
> it, read a book, whatever before you ask on a mailing list. From what
> I've seen since coming back on this list is that you ask whatever comes
> into your head first without taking the time to think about it or
> research it.
> From the level of question you've been asking I do think you need to


Thanks Tony for your time to explain me how this list works.

But I am reading a book where some things are not illustrated with 
examples.And I did Google still not get a single example on that. Those 
are fallen in trouble I pushed them here to at-least know -how they 
work. As I know here people can be found who works a lot with this 
platform.

Am 14.02.2013 09:15, schrieb Love U Ruby:
> A ruby expert people I am asking some Rubyist question- that's all. If
> someone has knowledge already then why is it problematic to share?

Please keep in mind that you are wasting *our* time when you constantly
post questions that could be answered by a little googling.
And most (admittedly not all) of your questions fall into this category.
People might loose their patience and stop answering your posts...

And please do not +1 every other piece of code that looks slick to you.

unknown wrote in post #1096948:
> Am 14.02.2013 09:15, schrieb Love U Ruby:
>> A ruby expert people I am asking some Rubyist question- that's all. If
>> someone has knowledge already then why is it problematic to share?
>
> Please keep in mind that you are wasting *our* time when you constantly
> post questions that could be answered by a little googling.

> And please do not +1 every other piece of code that looks slick to you.

Now it seems I have to be rude on you. What do you think about yourself. 
Do you think except my questions all questions in this mail list can't 
be solved using Google?

With that question do you think people started researching and writing 
thesis papers....after that answering. Don't say like that way. Here 
people posted their questions to get help from someone who has knowledge 
about that, not to Google for him... To answer someone question if you 
really need to do Google,then stop helping others and keep concentrate 
on your books. It seems you also didn't complete your home work with 
Ruby at its core.

First, if one stops responding, the requests will dry up.

Second, I believe many if not most of the "problematic" emails come from 
the ruby-forum gateway.

While it's painful, I would advise treating any posts from the gateway 
as probable spam.  Mark them in light-grey on white text in your message 
list, or put them in a lower priority list folder.

This approach would likely resolve much of the noise on the list and the 
frustration resulting from dealing with "lazy" people who are asking the 
list to do their jobs or homework or to cover their misrepresentations 
about their expertise.

It's unfortunate that so much list abuse comes from an inclusive 
mechanism, but reading via the gateway and requiring group membership to 
post doesn't seem like it would exclude those who need help.  Most basic 
(and not so basic) topics have been covered in enough ways that 
searching the forum with just about any terms should return some helpful 
information.

-a.

It's easy to hide behind a pseudonym and come back using a different
email id if they start smelling too much, isn't it?
It's unfortunate but that this's happened to almost every well-known
forum on the internet. Starting from the Oracle forum (previously Sun),
to Coderanch to Spring Framework, sincere coders don't get the answers
they are looking just because the list is flooded by, well you know what
they are called for, looking to add a new Programming Language to their
resume.

Abhijit Sarkar wrote in post #1096982:
> It's easy to hide behind a pseudonym and come back using a different
> email id if they start smelling too much, isn't it?
> It's unfortunate but that this's happened to almost every well-known
> forum on the internet. Starting from the Oracle forum (previously Sun),
> to Coderanch to Spring Framework, sincere coders don't get the answers
> they are looking just because the list is flooded by, well you know what
> they are called for, looking to add a new Programming Language to their
> resume.


@Abhijit - couldn't understand what do you mean?

@my-ruby I didn't expect you to understand. If you did, @ddd wouldn't 
have to start this thread in the first place.

Am 14.02.2013 20:39, schrieb Love U Ruby:
> Now it seems I have to be rude on you. What do you think about yourself.
> Do you think except my questions all questions in this mail list can't
> be solved using Google?

Of course now and again there are posts by others in this list that
could easily be answered by Google. The crucial difference lies in
the word "*constantly*".

This really is nothing personal, believe it or not.

> With that question do you think people started researching and writing
> thesis papers....after that answering. Don't say like that way. Here
> people posted their questions to get help from someone who has knowledge
> about that, not to Google for him... To answer someone question if you
> really need to do Google,then stop helping others and keep concentrate
> on your books. It seems you also didn't complete your home work with
> Ruby at its core.

I think you are not in a position to judge whether I "have made my
homework" or not.

The question really is not whether I need to google, it's whether you
could google it. And when you could easily get the same answer to your
question (that maybe dozens had before) from a quick internet search,
then answering that same question again would be wasted time that we
would not have to solve your really difficult problems.

Most of the typical beginner's questions are already answered on
stackoverflow, or in one of the many blog posts, or in this list
(yes, there is an archive).

Abhijit Sarkar wrote in post #1097060:
> @my-ruby I didn't expect you to understand. If you did, @ddd wouldn't
> have to start this thread in the first place.

You also had posted ... I have seen. You could Google that. Why then 
here? Before knocking other doors,first knock at your one's.

Love U Ruby wrote in post #1097068:
> You also had posted ... I have seen. You could Google that. Why then
> here? Before knocking other doors,first knock at your one's.

Don't make a fool of yourself, mate. Learn from your mistakes and move 
on.

The simple message is this: Try to educate yourself before you ask 
others to educate you. If you skip this important step you will stunt 
your own growth.

unknown wrote in post #1097062:
> Am 14.02.2013 20:39, schrieb Love U Ruby:
>> Now it seems I have to be rude on you. What do you think about yourself.


> Most of the typical beginner's questions are already answered on
> stackoverflow, or in one of the many blog posts, or in this list
> (yes, there is an archive).


Thanks for your suggestions... and giving a good directions to keep 
reducing my beginner questions. I like your "scold" this way. :)

Love U Ruby wrote in post #1097068:
> Abhijit Sarkar wrote in post #1097060:
>> @my-ruby I didn't expect you to understand. If you did, @ddd wouldn't
>> have to start this thread in the first place.
>
> You also had posted ... I have seen. You could Google that. Why then
> here? Before knocking other doors,first knock at your one's.


@Joel - I like polite "scold" but not the "harsh" way. So no worry! 
thanks to giving me a good explanations. There are more beginner 
questions I have seen,, But people targeted me only.. That's rude.

I didn't order anyone to do solve my problem,, rather asked for hints.. 
How can I do that?

If it is the bad I did to the expert guys... I am really sorry. My 
thought was wrong what I believe - "knowledge sharing is a good holly 
one."

Thanks

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Love U Ruby <lists@ruby-forum.com> 
wrote:

> Nice advice you have given to me. But When people would get stuck, then
> they could ask for help - in this mailing list. Is not it?

Please read this:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

> People who are experienced they must met with the things that I am now
> meeting. So they might have way out they used. Now to know that and get
> start from the next level I used this forum. So what bad I did?

People have the impression that you try to offload too much learning
work to the forum.

> A ruby expert people I am asking some Rubyist question- that's all. If
> someone has knowledge already then why is it problematic to share?

Because although you do not pay for answers they come at a cost.
General kindness mandates to not overly stretch other peoples
resources.

Cheers

robert

Ruby is well documented and comes with an interactive facility.  If you 
show that you have tried something first in irb, you will earn more good 
will.

(http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise in Mr. 
Klemme's reply.)

-a.

Art Taylor wrote in post #1097077:
> Ruby is well documented and comes with an interactive facility.  If you
> show that you have tried something first in irb, you will earn more good
> will.
>
> (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise in Mr.
> Klemme's reply.)
>
> -a.


There are questions where I also provided answers which had been posted 
by me.. This is not like that I always looking for a help...sometimes 
reply back. But you guys missed that fact. anyway no problem :)

Love U Ruby wrote in post #1097068:
> You could Google that.
I did and this is what came up:
"Never argue with an 1d10t; he will bring you down to his level and win
from experience."

Ruby forum does not have a solution to your problem. Your problem is
that you've the IQ of Paris Hilton and the attitude of Steve Jobs.
That's a disgusting combination.
I am curious, is it difficult to be constantly told by your spouse and
kids how much they hate you or have you come to terms to it by now?

No flame wars. Didn't you understand the quote about arguing you just 
posted?