Forum: NGINX Freenode #nginx (IRC channel): needs owner (halp please, Igor)

Some IRC related issues and prospective ways to solve them for
community input and requiring the final sign off from Igor himself --

With the new release today, various people attempted to update the
topic (in which we keep the most recent version numbers) only to find
they COULD NOT update the topic.

08:32 < jbergstroem> wtf +t nowadays? :(
08:32 < jbergstroem> is there even someone with +o flag in here? :)

I wondered why, and it wasn't long before I found that apparently
freenode completely died at some point and our channel had no one in
it, as it was recreated:

13:25 -!- Channel #nginx created Fri Jan 29 23:48:24 2010

So, I ventured into the freenode staff channel (shudder).  What they
told me was that everyone needed to leave (hahaha), we could move to
##nginx unofficial channel (hahaha), or we could fill out the group
request form and get the channel registered.

I know Igor doesn't use IRC (or at least I haven't noticed him :P) so
I would be totally understanding if Igor didn't run to go fill out
their stupid form.  They DID say that someone else could fill out the
form and include an email address to contact for authorization of said
person to represent the project...

So, personally, if he would be wanting to take it on, I think mdounin
(Maxim) should own #nginx on freenode as he has been around the
longest and is closest to Igor.  If not, I would volunteer as well
(since I'm an IRC addict and am always around in one way or another).
Finally, if neither of us were willing or acceptable, I would be
suggest mshadle (Mike) because he has been around a while as well and
is almost as addicted to IRC as me.

Community thoughts?

Igor's thoughts?

Excerpts from staff channel:

13:32 < lstarnes> it would be better to ask for permission before doing 
it
13:32 < merlincorey> agree
13:32 < merlincorey> that's why I said I was starting chatter on the
mailing list ;)
13:34 < merlincorey> ok so to sum up; to fix modes there either
everyone must leave and then I register it, or I must go through
official channels and then can become owner (whether its me or mdounin
or someone else doesn't matter just using pronoun)
13:34 < lstarnes> correct
13:34 < merlincorey> alright thanks a lot
13:34 < lstarnes> or you can move to ##nginx if it isn't official

In the meantime...

13:39 -!- mode/#nginx [-t] by OperServ
13:40 < Tabmow> merlincorey: there you go. it should suffice until you
get the GRF filed :)

-- Merlin

Why dont you guys move on a better server like Undernet? I know a few
admins that can always help out in an event that we hit some issues

-Payam



On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:07 PM, merlin corey <merlincorey@dc949.org> 
wrote:
> I wondered why, and it wasn't long before I found that apparently
> I know Igor doesn't use IRC (or at least I haven't noticed him :P) so
> suggest mshadle (Mike) because he has been around a while as well and
> 13:32 < merlincorey> that's why I said I was starting chatter on the
>
>
--
Payam Tarverdyan Chychi
Network Security Specialist / Network Engineer

Hey,
I think this is a bit out of proportion. For as long as I've been around 
(some year or two) this must be the first issue where operator 
interference was required. I'm not even sure why +t ended up in there 
besides general Freenode tinkering.

I'd prefer to keep talking about things that matter, such as optimizing 
your config by reading debug logs :-)

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Payam Chychi <pchychi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why dont you guys move on a better server like Undernet? I know a few
> admins that can always help out in an event that we hit some issues
>
> -Payam

... and this is precisely why I opened this up :D.

Whether a network is "better" for someone in particular involves a
wide range of factors.  For example, I prefer efnet but I'm the only
one in #nginx there.

The major benefits of freenode, as I see them are:
  Everyone already there (115 nicks right now)
  Proximity to other, related projects (this is ##php's problem type of 
thing)

Freenode certainly has its downsides, and I'm not married to it, but
moving 115 people to another channel on the same network is hard
enough - moving them to another network even harder!

-- Merlin

> Why dont you guys move on a better server like Undernet? I know a few
> admins that can always help out in an event that we hit some issues

Better because...?

Best regards,
Piotr Sikora < piotr.sikora@frickle.com >

2010/2/1 Johan Bergström <johan@bergstroem.nu>:
> Hey,
> I think this is a bit out of proportion. For as long as I've been around (some year or two) this must be the first issue where operator interference was required. I'm not even sure why +t ended up in there besides general Freenode tinkering.

This is true! We've never needed it till today.  Unfortunately, with
freenode under attack and in the midst of updating their IRCd, I
forsee more problems in the future, and Tabmow is not going to use
operserv for us perpetually.

> I'd prefer to keep talking about things that matter, such as optimizing your config by reading debug logs :-)

Sorry, I'll try to limit IRC spam to this thread :-).

-- Merlin

Freenode is the defacto standard for open source projects. Moving
doesn't make sense. Fixing the problem is the proper solution.

Sent from my iPhone

Michael Shadle wrote:
> Freenode is the defacto standard for open source projects. Moving 
> doesn't make sense. Fixing the problem is the proper solution.
It's very popular, but there is oftc which is also very popular with
groups that don't like freenode.  I am increasingly disappointed by
freenode and while I currently still use it would be in strong support
for migrating away.  I've had this exact problem in the very distant
past.. It was was only resolved by excessive patience (months) and a
small disturbance to some people's home ip long enough that they dropped
from the channel..

Someone who knows a staffer should in general just ask them kindly to
idle in the channel and update the topic for us until it's resolved.. I
think it goes against policy, but maybe they are kind enough

good luck...

Just FYI, I created #nginx a few years ago.   I failed to give myself
ops right after creating it and then wasn't able to later.   I don't
know if freenode keeps records of who created what, but if I can help in
any way, let me know (nick is cwells).

Cliff

On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 14:07 -0800, merlin corey wrote:
> I wondered why, and it wasn't long before I found that apparently
> I know Igor doesn't use IRC (or at least I haven't noticed him :P) so
> suggest mshadle (Mike) because he has been around a while as well and
> 13:32 < merlincorey> that's why I said I was starting chatter on the
> 
> 13:39 -!- mode/#nginx [-t] by OperServ
> 13:40 < Tabmow> merlincorey: there you go. it should suffice until you
> get the GRF filed :)
> 
> -- Merlin
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nginx mailing list
> nginx@nginx.org
> http://nginx.org/mailman/listinfo/nginx
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2010/2/1 "C. Bergström" <codestr0m@osunix.org>:
> Someone who knows a staffer should in general just ask them kindly to idle
> in the channel and update the topic for us until it's resolved.. I think it
> goes against policy, but maybe they are kind enough

We got the mode removed by operserv thanks to an operator named Tabmow
who has been helpful in the past; however, I don't think we should
KEEP leaning on him ;).

-- Merlin

Maybe this is a freenode quirk, but shouldn't a channel be registered
and have a founder associated to it? Net crashes or splits will cause
disruptions, but only temporary as chanserv will reinstance the
previous configs... At least on the networks i use.

Or maybe it's a different ircd software?

--
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2010/2/1 Nuno Magalhães <nunomagalhaes@eu.ipp.pt>:
>
> _______________________________________________
> nginx mailing list
> nginx@nginx.org
> http://nginx.org/mailman/listinfo/nginx
>

The channel was never registered and no one (but Cliff) ever had ops
(but for a few short minutes).  This was never too much of a problem
because channel mode t was unset :D.  Then freenode switched IRCd's...
apparently everyone at some point left #nginx and the channel was
recreated - with the default server modes of +nt.

At any rate this happened to several groups today, and was temporarily
fixed thanks to operserv, but the end-solution for everyone is to get
their channels registered, which at this point must be done
"officially" since we cant make everyone part (in our case of 100+
people consistently).

Finally, I'm of the understanding that Cliff, as the original channel
creator (in the non-services sense), has put through a request for
official creation and at most we're now just waiting for freenode
staff to email Igor (if they will even need to do that) for a "do you
know this Cliff guy" sort of thing.

So, hopefully, very soon, there'll be a message in this thread saying
it's all done sorry for the alarums thanks to everyone :D.

Thanks,
-- Merlin

On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 02:07:06PM -0800, merlin corey wrote:

> I wondered why, and it wasn't long before I found that apparently
> I know Igor doesn't use IRC (or at least I haven't noticed him :P) so
> suggest mshadle (Mike) because he has been around a while as well and
> 13:32 < merlincorey> that's why I said I was starting chatter on the
> 
> 13:39 -!- mode/#nginx [-t] by OperServ
> 13:40 < Tabmow> merlincorey: there you go. it should suffice until you
> get the GRF filed :)

I was on some Russian IRC channels in 1997-99, however, now I use it 
seldom
only to have a talk with some people. I can fill the form (what ?), but
I can not manage the channel.


--
Igor Sysoev
http://sysoev.ru/en/

One (some) of us will manage it. You won't have to worry. I think they
filled out the form though and Cliff is working on it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 13:09 +0300, Igor Sysoev wrote:
> 
> I was on some Russian IRC channels in 1997-99, however, now I use it seldom
> only to have a talk with some people. I can fill the form (what ?), but
> I can not manage the channel.


I have filled out the form and am waiting on freenode staff.   It may be
necessary to have you send them an email confirming that you agree with
the form.

Once I've been granted ops I'll pass it on to a couple others so that we
never have this situation again.

Cliff