Hi folks. So as usual I was talking up nitro as a replacement for rails, this time at the SPA conference earlier this year, and someone suggested I present something at the London SPA meetup<http://bcs-spa.org/cgi-bin/view/SPA/PreRegistrations> . So I agreed. And now I'm going to need a working nitro and og (and a nice walkthrough demo if someone has something like that handy). Of course I'll attribute anything I use to the appropriate people, but I could really do with your help! Either that or I'll have to politely decline the talk. I really want to get nitro out there in front of some people, and the BCS crowd are useful influencers to be showing things to. So, George, about that 0.50 release..? :) Thanks, Dan
on 21.04.2008 14:25
on 21.04.2008 16:26
On Apr 21, 8:21 am, "Dan North" <tasta...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Of course I'll attribute anything I use to the appropriate people, but I > could really do with your help! Either that or I'll have to politely decline > the talk. > > I really want to get nitro out there in front of some people, and the BCS > crowd are useful influencers to be showing things to. > > So, George, about that 0.50 release..? :) Hi Dan, According to George's blog, he has moved onto other projects. So Nitro is in need of a new maintainer if it is to stay alive. I have been doing some work on Og, but even so, it will take more man- hours than I have to spare to get a new release out any time soon. And sadly, interest has dwindled so much I'm not even sure if it is worth it. T.
on 21.04.2008 16:43
> > So, George, about that 0.50 release..? :) Hello Dan, I am sorry to dissapoint you but I do not plan a 0.50 in the near future. I am still working on Nitro as needed for my currenrt projects (ie, the repositories still receive updates) but I do not plan to support this project. I am workin an a new lightwieght framework (based on javascript/java) and evaluating Google AppEngine at the moment so maybe you will see new stuff from me in the future. -g.
on 21.04.2008 22:54
Hi George. That is a real shame but I understand if you have to move on - I felt you really had a contender to take on rails there. I'm very grateful for all the effort and energy you've put into it - it's been inspiring! Naturally I'll be watching what you get up to next. Out of interest, is there another lightweight ruby web framework you would recommend? I'm looking at ramaze, which has nitro-inspired view "elements" ( http://tinyurl.com/3d7dgn) and plays nice with Og and Sequel ( http://ramaze.net/features:orms). I haven't used it or ary of the others (merb, mack, etc.) but from a quick scan it seems the closest in "feel" to nitro. Thanks again, Dan
on 22.04.2008 14:28
form what I undestand ramaze is quite similar to Nitro (and the developers behind it are cool ;-)), and I have heard Merb is nice ;-) -g.
on 22.04.2008 19:15
Ramaze is like Nitro's little sister and Merb is like Rails little sister. IMHO you cannot go wrong with either Ramaze or Merb, it just depends on your personal preferences and tastes. Cheers- -Ezra
on 22.04.2008 19:21
I've been lurking on this mailing list hoping I get good enough at Ruby or the Nitro documentation gets good enough that I can jump in - I am sad to see that it might go away. I saw a demo of Merb <http://merbivore.com/> at the Mountain West RubyConf last month and was quite impressed. It's focused on lightweight and flexible and well worth a look. Ric Turley Zarac Software
on 22.04.2008 20:15
hi all sorry to put a damper on the list, but how can i unsubscribe, the mailman links don't seem to work for me. cheers cornelius
on 23.04.2008 18:07
Dan North wrote: > http://ramaze.net/features:orms). I haven't used it or ary of the others > (merb, mack, etc.) but from a quick scan it seems the closest in "feel" to > nitro. I'm a big fan of both Nitro and Ramaze; Ramaze does seem very much like Nitro, with perhaps a greater range of pluggable options. The #ramaze irc channel is very active, and a great place to get help. Merb, too, is well worth looking at. It may come down to subtleties of opinion as to which best suits your development style. Both have active development and strong communities Ramaze, however, has cooler T-shirts: http://www.cafepress.com/rubystuff/4904578 :) -- James Britt "Discover the recipes you are using and abandon them." - Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt, Oblique Strategies
on 23.04.2008 23:04
It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? T.
on 23.04.2008 23:24
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote: > It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I > guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? It's hard to fight that inertia, and Nitro has been in a murky state for _well_ more than a year, now. Want to work on IOWA? ;) Kirk Haines
on 23.04.2008 23:36
From: "Trans" <transfire@gmail.com> > > It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I > guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? Hmm... Are folks abandoning Og, too? I notice the Ramaze page about ORM's shows an example using Og, but that they "suggest Sequel." http://ramaze.net/features:orms Regards, Bill
on 23.04.2008 23:46
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Bill Kelly <billk@cts.com> wrote: > > From: "Trans" <transfire@gmail.com> > > > > > It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I > > guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? > I have moved on to Sequel, and some devs on DataMapper had indicated they have an Og 'style' in mind for somethings. However I haven't delved into the DM source. Cheers Mark
on 24.04.2008 01:54
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Bill Kelly <billk@cts.com> wrote: > ORM's shows an example using Og, but that they "suggest Sequel." > > > http://ramaze.net/features:orms > Yeah, we have to suggest an alternative since Og, combined with the old facets has quite a few problems and bugs. I would love to use Og (especially for its awesome evolution capabilities), but there just hasn't been a stable release since a long time, so i settled for sequel. ^ manveru
on 24.04.2008 03:31
Mark V wrote: > I have moved on to Sequel, and some devs on DataMapper had indicated >> ORM's shows an example using Og, but that they "suggest Sequel." >> > Nitro-general@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > I recently moved one of my projects from Og to DataMapper. While DataMapper is definitely Og-like, it doesn't quite feel as dynamic as Og. I also miss the schema-evolution of Og.
on 24.04.2008 16:57
On Apr 23, 7:51 pm, "Michael Fellinger" <m.fellin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ORM's shows an example using Og, but that they "suggest Sequel." > > > http://ramaze.net/features:orms > > Yeah, we have to suggest an alternative since Og, combined with the > old facets has quite a few problems and bugs. > I would love to use Og (especially for its awesome evolution > capabilities), but there just hasn't been a stable release since a > long time, so i settled for sequel. > > ^ manveru I wouldn't take much to get Og up to date. I have been working on it bit by bit. But I just can't do it alone. I need someone more familiar with Og to help. Unfortunately no one has really stepped forward. It's really a shame, IMHO. It's a good system, it just needs some TLC. T.
on 24.04.2008 18:29
Well, I DO depend on Og for my current projects so I AM interested in helping. I just don't like introducing too many incompatibilities. Still, I can help you. What exactly do you need? -g.
on 24.04.2008 20:30
Hi list, I still depend heavily on Og even though I too has switched over to Ramaze. I've was kind of hoping that Ogden would become my Og "replacement", but that project seems even more inactive than Nitro itself (I'm not tracking the rcs, so I actually don't know whether this is true or not). How far of is Ogden from releasing a gem? Anyway, I think it would be a shame if Og/Ogden disappeared. I've tried Sequel and some other ORM:s, but they all seem very "unnatural" to use compared to Og. I would be very happy if someone picked up the project and made a new release. Just my 0.02SEK /lasso Bill Kelly skrev:
on 24.04.2008 20:46
> Anyway, I think it would be a shame if Og/Ogden disappeared. I've tried
I too see myself making use of Og over other options if it remains
available. I haven't yet found another option as functional yet simple
that works on all platforms I need.
on 25.04.2008 05:46
On Apr 24, 12:28 pm, "George Moschovitis" <george.moschovi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, I DO depend on Og for my current projects so I AM interested in > helping. I just don't like introducing too many incompatibilities. > Still, I can help you. What exactly do you need? Ok. I need to fix the uses of Paramix (that was rewritten in the latest version of Facets) plus any other minor adjustments to bring it up to speed with Facets 2.4.x. But then I need some help in tracking down the cause of the remaining test failures -- I'm having a hard time isolating them. The only incompatibility I'm interested in at this point is making enchantment explicit. But at this point, that can wait for a version or two. I'm using the Ogden repo, of course, to isolate from your old working code. It's currently SVN, but I was thinking of getting it converted to Git (which is much more like Darcs). Would you appreciate that? T.
on 25.04.2008 08:48
> The only incompatibility I'm interested in at this point is making > enchantment explicit. But at this point, that can wait for a version > or two. I no longer have problems with this. you can go ahead and do it. btw, I will push some more changes to my repo when I return to Greece (I am in Cyprus at the moment) -g. On 4/25/08, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote: > up to speed with Facets 2.4.x. But then I need some help in tracking > > T. > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > -- http://gmosx.me.gr http://joy.gr http://cull.gr http://nitroproject.org http://phidz.com http://joyerz.com