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Hi,

During my visit tu Europe for Euruko and RubyFools, we (people behind
MRI, YARV, Rubinius, and JRuby) all agreed to have sort of design
meeting regularly (once in a week or two) to clarify spec of the Ruby
language, both 1.8 and 1.9.  It's going to be held on the Net.  All
subjects should be listed in Agenda on the Wiki page in prior.  I
think every meeting should last approximately one hour.  I am not
going to refuse anyone from joining the meeting, but speakers should
basically be developers only.

We need to decide:

 * date and time frame
 * where to put agenda (Wiki page)
 * where to hold the meeting (irc, web chat, etc.)

Preferably, chat log can be accessed via Web, so that we can put it at
the bottom of the agenda Wiki page.  Any suggestion?

For time frame, I'm thinking of 11:00-12:00 +0900 (19:00-20:00 PDT) or
0:00-1:00 (8:00-9:00 PDT).  I'd like to hear their opinon from atendees.

              matz.

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> During my visit tu Europe for Euruko and RubyFools, we (people behind
> MRI, YARV, Rubinius, and JRuby) all agreed to have sort of design
> meeting regularly (once in a week or two) to clarify spec of the Ruby
> language, both 1.8 and 1.9.  It's going to be held on the Net.  All
> subjects should be listed in Agenda on the Wiki page in prior.  I
> think every meeting should last approximately one hour.  I am not
> going to refuse anyone from joining the meeting, but speakers should
> basically be developers only.

Yes, very good idea. I'm in, regardless of the time of day.

> We need to decide:
> 
>  * date and time frame
>  * where to put agenda (Wiki page)
>  * where to hold the meeting (irc, web chat, etc.)

I think IRC will probably be the easiest for everyone involved, perhaps
on #ruby-core on FreeNode. And I think once a week would be best, since
many things are moving very quickly.

> Preferably, chat log can be accessed via Web, so that we can put it at
> the bottom of the agenda Wiki page.  Any suggestion?

It would not be difficult to set up a logger during the meetings.

> For time frame, I'm thinking of 11:00-12:00 +0900 (19:00-20:00 PDT) or
> 0:00-1:00 (8:00-9:00 PDT).  I'd like to hear their opinon from atendees.

It will be difficult to find a time everyone can agree on, but this
sounds pretty good to me. Luckily, most of the alternative implementers
are based in the US, so we just need a time that fits both Japan and US
developers.

Once concern I have is the English/Japanese language barrier. Does
anyone know of a few people who could help translate during these 
meetings?

- Charlie

Hi,

In message "Re: design meeting"
    on Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:05:03 +0900, Charles Oliver Nutter 
<charles.nutter@sun.com> writes:

|>  * where to hold the meeting (irc, web chat, etc.)
|
|I think IRC will probably be the easiest for everyone involved, perhaps 
|on #ruby-core on FreeNode. And I think once a week would be best, since 
|many things are moving very quickly.
|
|> Preferably, chat log can be accessed via Web, so that we can put it at
|> the bottom of the agenda Wiki page.  Any suggestion?
|
|It would not be difficult to set up a logger during the meetings.

OK, once a week, on IRC with a logger.

Does any one have suggestion for the wiki site?

|Once concern I have is the English/Japanese language barrier. Does 
|anyone know of a few people who could help translate during these meetings?

I don't worry much.  The primary Japanese developers (e.g. me, koichi,
akr, and nobu) speak English.  Others can read, at least.  We can set
up the other channel to help understanding if it doesn't work out.

              matz.

Hi,

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
> The primary Japanese developers (e.g. me, koichi,
> ...) speak English.

?

Hi,

Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:
> I think IRC will probably be the easiest for everyone involved, perhaps 
> on #ruby-core on FreeNode. And I think once a week would be best, since 
> many things are moving very quickly.

I agree.

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> During my visit tu Europe for Euruko and RubyFools, we (people behind
> MRI, YARV, Rubinius, and JRuby) all agreed to have sort of design
> meeting regularly [...]


What about IronRuby? I think John Lam should be invited too, if not 
already
done.
-- henon

Meinrad Recheis wrote:
> What about IronRuby? I think John Lam should be invited too, if not 
> already done.

All implementers are welcome. Matz was just listing the implementers
that were at the EU conferences.

- Charlie

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Charles Oliver Nutter <
charles.nutter@sun.com> wrote:

> >
> >
> > What about IronRuby? I think John Lam should be invited too, if not
> > already done.
> >
>
> All implementers are welcome. Matz was just listing the implementers that
> were at the EU conferences.


Then it would be best to officially invite them. Wayne Kelly (Ruby.NET) 
also
hasn't been mentioned. Who else?
-- henon

Hi,

On 4/12/08, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
> For time frame, I'm thinking of 11:00-12:00 +0900 (19:00-20:00 PDT) or
> 0:00-1:00 (8:00-9:00 PDT).  I'd like to hear their opinon from atendees.

The former is OK, but in the latter time I may sleep with the child, 
probably.

Hi,

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
> For time frame, I'm thinking of 11:00-12:00 +0900 (19:00-20:00 PDT) or
> 0:00-1:00 (8:00-9:00 PDT).  I'd like to hear their opinon from atendees.

fixed 1st meeting?

SASADA Koichi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
>> For time frame, I'm thinking of 11:00-12:00 +0900 (19:00-20:00 PDT) or
>> 0:00-1:00 (8:00-9:00 PDT).  I'd like to hear their opinon from atendees.
> 
> fixed 1st meeting?


Does Monday at either time NOT work for anyone? Either works for me. I
think we should get the show on the road. And shall we just make it
#ruby-core then?

- Charlie

Hi,

In message "Re: [ruby-core:16359] design meeting"
    on Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:41:53 +0900, Charles Oliver Nutter 
<charles.nutter@sun.com> writes:
|> 
|> Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
|>> For time frame, I'm thinking of 11:00-12:00 +0900 (19:00-20:00 PDT) or
|>> 0:00-1:00 (8:00-9:00 PDT).  I'd like to hear their opinon from atendees.
|> 
|> fixed 1st meeting?

|Does Monday at either time NOT work for anyone? Either works for me. I 
|think we should get the show on the road. And shall we just make it 
|#ruby-core then?

OK, how about April 22st, 11:00-12:00 +0900 (Monday night in the US)?
Could somebody setup agenda wiki anywhere?

              matz.

On Apr 18, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
> atendees.
> |>
> |> fixed 1st meeting?
>
> |Does Monday at either time NOT work for anyone? Either works for  
> me. I
> |think we should get the show on the road. And shall we just make it
> |#ruby-core then?
>
> OK, how about April 22st, 11:00-12:00 +0900 (Monday night in the US)?
> Could somebody setup agenda wiki anywhere?

Sounds good to me. I can just register a pbwiki to put stuff up on if
no one has an objection.

  - Evan

Hi,

In message "Re: [ruby-core:16359] design meeting"
    on Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:54:58 +0900, Evan Phoenix 
<evan@fallingsnow.net> writes:

|> OK, how about April 22st, 11:00-12:00 +0900 (Monday night in the US)?
|> Could somebody setup agenda wiki anywhere?
|
|Sounds good to me. I can just register a pbwiki to put stuff up on if  
|no one has an objection.

Yes, please.

              matz.

I've set up a wiki for the design meeting. It is located at 
http://ruby-design.pbwiki.com/
.

Please add yourself to the People page and in the Attendees on the
Design20080421 page.

Also, please add any topics you wish to discuss into the Agenda on the
Design20080421 page.

  - Evan

Am going to miss this instance - am putting kids to bed tonight by 
myself.
Looking forward to the notes and contributing via the wiki.

Thanks,
-John

Just to double check, the meeting is taking place at 7pm Pacific time
this evening.

  - Evan

Hi,

The first design meeting was held on Apr. 22 (JST) on IRC.  You can
check the agenda and the log in 
<http://ruby-design.pbwiki.com/Design20080421>.

The next meeting will start from May 1st 11:00 JST.  Due to time
difference, it is still April 30 for people from The United States.

If you have something to discuss, please add the issue to Agenda Wiki
<http://ruby-design.pbwiki.com/Design20080430> before the meeting.  We
basically don't discuss about things not in the agenda.  If need to
login and ask Evan Phoenix for permission to write.

              matz.