All I have several great jobs around the country for ruby developers please contact me on my cell if you would like to hear more about these positions Toby Gambill API Corporate Recruiter
on 2011-03-15 00:51
on 2011-03-15 08:10
On Mar 14, 2011, at 16:51 , Toby Gambill wrote: > All > I have several great jobs around the country for ruby developers please contact me on my cell if you would like to hear more about these positions > > > Toby Gambill > API Corporate Recruiter Wow! Everything I dislike about headhunters can be pretty much summed up in this one email... Kudos Toby... Kudos...
on 2011-03-15 09:31
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@zenspider.com> wrote: > Wow! Everything I dislike about headhunters can be pretty much summed up in this one email... > > Kudos Toby... Kudos... ROTFL Ryan, thanks for making my day! Do you call such a posting "elliptic" in English as well? *chuckle* Cheers robert
on 2011-03-15 10:54
> I have several great jobs around the country for ruby developers please contact
me on my cell if you would like to hear more about these positions
Around WHICH country? This is the Internet, FFS. Also, if you genuinely
had Ruby jobs you'd be a bit more explicit about the skills requirement.
Why not just say you're desperate for names of people looking for
programming work, and have done with it? You'd gain points for
honesty...
on 2011-03-15 11:26
Just for laughs I went to the site. 1) There is just one Ruby job, in New York - bit of a commute from London so I'll pass on that. 2) No search, not jobs by category 3) But thats ok, they only have 15 jobs This is unprofessional even by recruiter standards - which is a low bar as it is. My money is that it was someone who was sacked and couldn't find a job and therefore decided to become a recruitment consultant. Unfortunately this sort of thing happens :( But on the plus side we can all cross Toby Gambill and API Recruitment off our list of people to bother with when we are looking for a job, natural selection at its best :)
on 2011-03-15 11:41
> This is unprofessional even by recruiter standards - which is a low > bar as it is. My money is that it was someone who was sacked and > couldn't find a job and therefore decided to become a recruitment > consultant. You must work with a better standard of recruiter than I do! I see this trick over the 'phone all the time...
on 2011-03-15 12:23
I have several great jobs around the country for ruby developers please contact me on my cell if you would like to hear more about these positions Why not just say you're desperate for names of people looking for programming work, and have done with it? You'd gain points for honesty... <a href="http://www.clickhost.in">unlimited WebHosting</a>
on 2011-03-15 13:29
Peter I don't post my positions on our job board site, that job in New York is with another recruiter in our office, My job is hunt for the top of the list not to post on our site and hope that I get a resume, as far as a low bar for a recruiter not sure how you have been burned in the past but not all recruiters are shady. The industry trend is to use recruiters to find top talent in the industry, one day you may need a recruiter to help you find a position even in London. Toby.Gambill@api-recruiting.com 3806 Amnicola Highway Chattanooga, TN 37406 423-702-7115 - Office direct 423-912-8188 - Cell 423-643-8030 - Fax www.api-recruiting.com http://www.api-recruiting.com/ Check out our job postings on Facebook Mission: To maximize the growth of the Kingdom, by helping the least of these, through strategic giving from profitable businesses.
on 2011-03-15 13:48
All I do apologize for the quick knee jerk posting, I am looking for the passive job seeker for several great companies Im sure you all know how the recruiting world works I am only allowed to put out some of the information for these jobs because our clients don't want to be bombarded with a ton of resumes, I am the filter for these clients. Sorry again I am only looking to help others advance their careers. Toby.Gambill@api-recruiting.com 3806 Amnicola Highway Chattanooga, TN 37406 423-702-7115 - Office direct 423-912-8188 - Cell 423-643-8030 - Fax www.api-recruiting.com http://www.api-recruiting.com/ Check out our job postings on Facebook Mission: To maximize the growth of the Kingdom, by helping the least of these, through strategic giving from profitable businesses.
on 2011-03-15 14:02
> All I do apologize for the quick knee jerk posting, I am looking for the passive
job seeker for several great companies Im sure you all know how the recruiting
world works I am only allowed to put out some of the information for these jobs
because our clients don't want to be bombarded with a ton of resumes, I am the
filter for these clients.
Yes, we know how the recruiting world works. We know it's only evens
that you have any jobs to fill; you're just as likely to be looking for
names for your books.
If you actually want someone to respond, and you really do have jobs,
we'd need more details. You're talking to the whole world here: we'd
need a rough idea of location. And Ruby is a big target to hit, too:
we'd need a more focused idea of the skills you wanted.
Sorry if that seems rude -- but you know how the internet works...
on 2011-03-15 14:34
I don't think it is rude at all, let me get some things together that won't give away my clients. Toby.Gambill@api-recruiting.com 3806 Amnicola Highway Chattanooga, TN 37406 423-702-7115 - Office direct 423-912-8188 - Cell 423-643-8030 - Fax www.api-recruiting.com http://www.api-recruiting.com/ Check out our job postings on Facebook Mission: To maximize the growth of the Kingdom, by helping the least of these, through strategic giving from profitable businesses.
on 2011-03-15 15:41
In article
<97F6FA471BF3C14E9A14EC45D05D99CD21F72E8174@STRATUSMBX01.Terenine.com>,
Toby Gambill <toby.gambill@api-recruiting.com> wrote:
> The industry trend is to use recruiters to find top talent in the industry,
If that were true, the things a recruiter would advertise *first* would
be the things that *never* get listed:
Exceptional pay rate (top talent expects top pay)
Unique job responsibilities (not just a list of technologies)
Industry or Company (who I work for matters)
Location (where I work matters)
Number of those you listed: 0
Number you can/will give: probably 1
People's opinions of recruiters would be a lot higher if they didn't act
like little more than a re-listing service. I can't count the number of
identical ads that all get put out by different recruiters! A cattle
call is not the way to attract top talent.
on 2011-03-15 15:55
Doc We have to be very careful when we put out information because job seekers can and do find out who our clients are and attempt to back door the recruiter which happens, we are doing a service to our contractors and clients. Exceptional pay rate (top talent expects top pay) and I agree with you on this and I get the top for my candidates that is how I get paid too, Corporate recruiters are commission based. Unique job responsibilities (not just a list of technologies) this information is given to you when you decide to submit your resume to my clients Industry or Company (who I work for matters) The industry is Media Location (where I work matters) 2 positions in Tennessee- 1 is for a junior developer and 1 senior developer, 10 positions in NY for senior developers is all my client will allow me to say at this time Toby.Gambill@api-recruiting.com 3806 Amnicola Highway Chattanooga, TN 37406 423-702-7115 - Office direct 423-912-8188 - Cell 423-643-8030 - Fax www.api-recruiting.com http://www.api-recruiting.com/ Check out our job postings on Facebook Mission: To maximize the growth of the Kingdom, by helping the least of these, through strategic giving from profitable businesses.
on 2011-03-15 16:47
The problem you are up against is that recruiters are seen as dishonest scum and so you have to be upfront and clear as to what you are offering. Saying that you have a job but are unable to say where in the world this job is, what the salary is in the region of, what the industry the job is in or what skills are needed seems like you are basically on a fishing trip for CVs rather than having actual vacancies to fill. You talk of your clients but at the same time talk about potential applicants going directly to the client. If you were working with the client they wouldn't accept applicants who came to them directly, that is what they use a recruiter for, if they do then they are not actually your clients. Remember the responses you are getting here is because your post sucked and by implication you and the company you represent. A little more professionalism would not go amiss, first impressions and all that.
on 2011-03-15 17:21
Peter I really appreciate the honest response from all of you on this matter, let me say this I am not fishing for resumes because that takes up a lot of wasted time on both parties, I did say in an earlier response the following 2 positions in Tennessee 1) junior developer (1) Senior Developer (10) positions in NYC for both Junior and Senior Developers Pay will be based on Experience Social Media development company Toby.Gambill@api-recruiting.com 3806 Amnicola Highway Chattanooga, TN 37406 423-702-7115 - Office direct 423-912-8188 - Cell 423-643-8030 - Fax www.api-recruiting.com http://www.api-recruiting.com/ Check out our job postings on Facebook Mission: To maximize the growth of the Kingdom, by helping the least of these, through strategic giving from profitable businesses.
on 2011-03-16 15:51
In article <97F6FA471BF3C14E9A14EC45D05D99CD21F72E8218@STRATUSMBX01.Terenine.com>, Toby Gambill <toby.gambill@api-recruiting.com> wrote: > We have to be very careful when we put out information because job seekers > can and do find out who our clients are and attempt to back door the > recruiter which happens, we are doing a service to our contractors and > clients. There is no logic in that. If anyone can go behind your back, you're not a job recruiter for that company. You're just some kind of middle man, like I said, who is re-listing public ads. A company that is enlisting a proper search firm would simply forward any unwanted resumes they received to you, and you would promptly remove the candidate from consideration for behaving so unprofessionally. Reality trumps the FUD. > Exceptional pay rate (top talent expects top pay) and I agree with you on > this and I get the top for my candidates that is how I get paid too, > Corporate recruiters are commission based. Please. Many of us have had tons of experience with recruiters, good and bad, and we know the various ways the game is played. When you don't list *any* financial details, it is a red flag. Simple as that. > Unique job responsibilities (not just a list of technologies) this > information is given to you when you decide to submit your resume to my > clients Again, there is a failure in logic. Why would any "top talent" submit their resume for a generic Ruby job *without* getting that information first? With so many shady recruiters, there isn't even reason to believe that *any* such Ruby job even exists. > Industry or Company (who I work for matters) The industry is Media Oh, yeah, great! Media. Very informative. Let us all rush right out to be part of the Media industry . . . > Location (where I work matters) 2 positions in Tennessee- 1 is for a junior > developer and 1 senior developer, 10 positions in NY for senior developers is > all my client will allow me to say at this time So you have work in a low cost of living area and a high cost of living area, but refuse to say what the pay is. You won't say what is interesting about the work, and don't distinguish even the *type* of work (could be a news network "media", or it could be a porn site "media", or anything else under the sun). Your client will not be getting top talent. Given the way recruiters work now, they're usually lucky to get competent talent. It used to be that recruiters on Usenet were *great*, even welcome, because they went the extra mile to give you what couldn't be found on job search sites. If you're not going to do that, there is little point in your being here.
on 2011-03-16 23:35
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Stu <stu@rubyprogrammer.net> wrote: > This thread is epic. > > i know!! i get this mainly through mail but is there a way to make it sticky on the forums so other would-be "recruiters" could be forewarned when they get here? because as entertaining as it is, i'd rather not have to read something like this again. :P hex
on 2011-03-17 11:21
Just to make things a little more lively just type 'toby gambill' into Google and see this thread as the 4th, 5th, 9th and 10th result. 'toby gambill recruiter' makes this thread results 1 to 8 and 10. See Toby, just a little more professionalism and this could all have been avoided.
on 2011-03-17 13:26
Lesson learned Peter, Toby.Gambill@api-recruiting.com 3806 Amnicola Highway Chattanooga, TN 37406 423-702-7115 - Office direct 423-912-8188 - Cell 423-643-8030 - Fax www.api-recruiting.com http://www.api-recruiting.com/ Check out our job postings on Facebook Mission: To maximize the growth of the Kingdom, by helping the least of these, through strategic giving from profitable businesses.
on 2011-03-17 16:31
In article <AANLkTimKQjoa4u5f7BAwYtRvEOcuGhaTf86azjkZpcJX@mail.gmail.com>, Peter Hickman <peterhickman386@googlemail.com> wrote: > See Toby, just a little more professionalism and this could all have > been avoided. I don't think Toby is being particularly unprofessional; he's just a reflection of the unfortunate turn the recruiting dynamic has taken. The fact that he is willing to engage in a discussion actually makes him look a lot better than most. He probably doesn't like being left in the dark about things any more than we do, and maybe he's in a position to change the whole process for the better. If not, well, back to the Ruby discussions! :-)
on 2011-03-18 07:18
I just joined. I felt this post was very useful. I enjoyed the candor. I am Newbie2Ruby and I appreciate the experienced insight:) shangz_b (like shance_b)
on 2012-11-30 14:40
Type: Freelance or Permanent Contract Location: Czech Republic, Prague Salary and Terms: 450-500 CZK/hour freelance contract or 40-60,000 CZK fixed on permanent c. Hours: Full time Length of employment: indefinite (unlimited contract) We are looking for senior Ruby on Rails developers to develop web portal for rating of local service providers (e.g. builders, plumbers, home related services). We offer a very interesting work in JavaScript, Ruby, Java .. and thanks to success we are innovating and expanding! Good knowledge of modern OpenSource technologies and components is plus. Interested? Get in touch with: Email: ict.recruiter@centrum.cz
Enable email notification
Enable multi-page viewPlease log in before posting. Registration is free and takes only a minute.
Existing account
(Switch to SSL-encrypted connection)
NEW: Do you have a Google/GoogleMail or Yahoo account? No registration required!
Log in with Google account | Log in with Yahoo account
Log in with Google account | Log in with Yahoo account
No account? Register here.