Hey Christer,
Could you please explain slimeline and debugger quick mode ?
slimeline mode is for conserving screen real estate, especially on
1024x768
monitors. It has options to hide the tabs at the sides of the window,
and
to hide various other UI elements, to give the maximum amount of space
to
the main window. It’s a nice idea, but personally I don’t use it even
on my
1024x768 laptop because I really like seeing all the tools and other UI
elements.
The default debugger mode is quick mode, in which it doesn’t have as
much
information about stack frames other than the current one. I don’t
believe
this has any effect when you’re debugging in the current stack frame.
It
only makes a difference when you use the debugger to navigate to
previous stack frames (that is, the method that called the current
method,
or earlier callers.) When quick mode is turned off, the debugger runs
slower, but it gets more information on previous stack frames. (I hope
I got this right… Lothar explained this to me once, and this is my
understanding of what he said.) In practice I don’t pay a lot of
attention
to whether or not I’m in quick mode. Non-quick mode doesn’t seem to
slow the debugger down that much (at least for small programs), but then
again I haven’t noticed a huge amount of difference in the info I get on
previous stack frames.
Have you tried Arachno in a Rails project ?
I do all my Rails work in Arachno, since it’s such a great environment.
I’ve done some Rails debugging in Arachno, using both of the techniques
described at:
http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/How+To+Use+Arachno+Ruby+IDE+with+Rails
I haven’t done a ton of Rails debugging, mostly because I don’t need a
debugger for most of my Rails work, but when I have debugged Rails
programs in Arachno it’s been plenty fast.
Take care,
Wayne
Wayne V.
No Bugs Software
“Ruby and C++ Agile Contract Programming in Silicon Valley”
Wayne!
I agree with your comment on Arachno. It’s amazing that one person,
Lothar, can achieve so much.
Could you please explain slimeline and debugger quick mode ?
Have you tried Arachno in a Rails project ?
Christer
I’ve been playing with Arachno and wish it had hyper navigation of the
code
(like IDEA or Eclipse in the Java world). It would be great to
ctrl-click
on a variable or function call and open up the source to that call in a
new
window.
Is that perhaps already in the product and I’ve missed it?
Wayne!
I tried Debugger Quick and Slow mode. No difference. Same speed. Local
variables and parameters available on all the stack frames. Maybe this
feature is used in the other languages supported: Perl, PHP and Python
Slimeline is not so interesting on my 1600 x 1200 display. Good news
that Rails works well on ArachnoRuby. I’ve chipped in USD129 to Lothar
Thanks for the link!
Christer
On 12/7/05, Mark E. [email protected] wrote:
I’ve been playing with Arachno and wish it had hyper navigation of the code
(like IDEA or Eclipse in the Java world). It would be great to ctrl-click
on a variable or function call and open up the source to that call in a new
window.
I do not think this is in the current editor. In any case it would not
be possible to get right all of the time – but it would be possible
to get right most of the time and would be a nice feature. Within a
file the navigator pane shows all of your normally defined methods
(and a nice fly over documentation window as well).
pth
Hey Christer,
I tried Debugger Quick and Slow mode. No difference.
Thanks for the data point. I didn’t do any explicit tests, but I didn’t
really
notice a difference between the two modes.
Thanks for the link!
You’re very welcome. Actually, I also sent you this link yesterday in a
private email. Maybe it got caught in your spam filter or something.
Let me know if you didn’t get that email, and I’ll resend it.
Take care,
Wayne
Wayne V.
No Bugs Software
“Ruby and C++ Agile Contract Programming in Silicon Valley”
I am a user of Arachno for quite a while and I am quite happy with it,
except one aspect: the promise on the site about releases. I haven’t
seen an update for a while, and I would expect at least some
feedback/estimations about this.
cheers,
./alex
.w( the_mindstorm )p.
Hi Hank,
Could you tell me how big was your program?
The Ruby program was only a few hundred lines, but it took a long while
to run because it was processing 5 million lines of text contained in
tens of thousands of files, and it was running on a 500MHz Pentium III.
RDE can not handle it because the debug speed is too slow?
That’s correct. It was getting an error after about an hour of running
(without the debugger). RDE’s debugger is so slow that it probably
would have taken days to reach that point if I ran in the debugger.
Take care,
Wayne
Wayne V.
No Bugs Software
“Ruby and C++ Agile Contract Programming in Silicon Valley”
Hi Alexandru,
I am a user of Arachno for quite a while and I am quite happy with it,
except one aspect: the promise on the site about releases. I haven’t
seen an update for a while
Yes, it would be nice to see a new release. I had an email exchange
with
Lothar a while ago, and he was deeply into making some major changes
to the code. (He told me what he was working on, but since it
was a private conversation I won’t repeat what he said.)
As someone who’s considered writing and marketing a program myself,
I can empathize with having to simultaneously do design/development/
marketing/support/etc/etc/etc.
I’m always glad to see the new features Lothar puts in, but the
current version of Arachno is 100% usable for my day-to-day work.
Take care,
Wayne
Wayne V.
No Bugs Software
“Ruby and C++ Agile Contract Programming in Silicon Valley”
I use it from time to time @ this point … the most recent beta release
is
a bit less stable than I’d prefer, but Lothar is hard @ work on making
the
foundation of the application more solid…
He’s done a really good job with Arachno … and I can’t wait for the
next
release …
Just before the release he had started working on scriptability for the
environment … ( to allow external custom scripts be able to interact
with
the software ) … and he had added some nice auto templates and
electric
braces …
All of which I love … it really is a GOOD environment.
j.
On 12/7/05, Wayne V. [email protected] wrote:
was a private conversation I won’t repeat what he said.)
Wayne
Wayne V.
No Bugs Software
“Ruby and C++ Agile Contract Programming in Silicon Valley”
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Jeff W.
On 12/8/05, Eric P. [email protected] wrote:
One thing I should point out is that the Komodo Ruby debugger works
debugging,
but this falls in the thinking-out-loud category at this point.
Thanks for enlightening us, Eric.
Curt
Just coming in to this thread to agree that the Komodo debugger is
relatively
slow. We originally wrote the debugger in pure Ruby, and found
debugging
large programs was very slow. We’re shipping a version where a couple
of
the bottlenecks were rewritten in C, but that has revealed other
bottlenecks.
One thing I should point out is that the Komodo Ruby debugger works
with
any installed version > 1.8.0. We don’t silo our own interpreter, so
whatever the
debugger says your code is doing, that’s what it will most likely do
when
deployed. On the other hand, there is a fundamental speed-up I’d like
to do,
but it requires working with the API as of 1.8.3. At that point it
seems to make
sense to offer our own embedded interpreter optimized for faster
debugging,
but this falls in the thinking-out-loud category at this point.
Arachno seems nice at a quick glance. I don’t agree with Lothar that
documentation would be a “waste of time”, but it’s his deal.
And I sure wish some of these projects would pick up on the Agile / XP
thing of
releasing solid code every week. It’s not really that hard to do …
It does look interesting, thanks for the folks who posted about it.
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:39:34 +0900, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday 11 December 2005 11:02 am, Ron J. wrote:
Arachno seems nice at a quick glance. I don’t agree with Lothar that
documentation would be a “waste of time”, but it’s his deal.
Perhaps a waste of time to some people, but documentation comes very good to
new people who want to program ruby. I think Lothar has forgotten what its
like to be a new programmer.
Or even an old programmer who would like to know how to use Arachno
well.
On Sunday 11 December 2005 11:02 am, Ron J. wrote:
Arachno seems nice at a quick glance. I don’t agree with Lothar that
documentation would be a “waste of time”, but it’s his deal.
Perhaps a waste of time to some people, but documentation comes very
good to
new people who want to program ruby. I think Lothar has forgotten what
its
like to be a new programmer.
Tsume
I think it should be free or have documentation. I don’t think I should
have
to invest both the time to figure out the editor without documentation,
and
also pay for the product. I am willing to do either, but not both. After
using Arachno for the trial period, I am convinced it is a very good
product. I may decide to purchase in the future, but up till now, I
can’t
bring myself to pay $80 for an undocumented product.
Perhaps Lothar could trade free copies for documentation.
Some may have spotted the irony that I have already spent the time to
learn
the tool, and would now not need the documentation. I am just stuborn
that
way.
And just to reiterate, this is a great editor, and should be considered
by
anyone that is developing ruby professionaly or can convince some
corperate
behemoth to pay for it.
I can’t bring myself to pay $80…
Actually, it’s US $59, with volume discounts starting at 2 licenses.
Wayne
Wayne V.
No Bugs Software
“Ruby and C++ Agile Contract Programming in Silicon Valley”
On 12/11/05, Ron J. [email protected] wrote:
Or even an old programmer who would like to know how to use Arachno well.
I understand what you guys are saying, but if given the choice between
docs about the editor and a working Ruby macros with even a couple of
examples – I know which I would pick.
pth
tony summerfelt wrote:
i’m productive with both komodo and arachno-ruby…
tony,
can you tell as about any debugger speed differences between komodo and
arachno?
what reasons do you see for using both?
christer
Arachnos debugger is best-in-class… it BY FAR out runs any of the
other
IDE debuggers…
j.
On 12/13/05, Christer N. [email protected] wrote:
christer
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